All of the surveyors I've had all say they don't do keel bolts, engine, or standing rigging. TBH its pretty disappointing.
Torque keel bolts https://youtu.be/n6B0IPKQERc G-Flex keel repair https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yV1JEN3YxQk1RbHc/view?usp=drivesdk I second all of the previous advice regarding the "smile". Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Thu, May 9, 2019, 10:27 PM Neil Andersen via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Buying a boat without using a professionally certified surveyor is a > classic mistake. We require buyers who insist on proceeding without a > survey a document showing that we strongly advise against it and they hold > us harmless. > > Neil Andersen > 1982 C&C 32, FoxFire > Yacht Broker > > Neil Andersen > 20691 Jamieson Rd > Rock Hall, MD 21661 > > ------------------------------ > *From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Olivier > Chatot via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 8:35 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Olivier Chatot > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List [C&C 38 Mk 3] Cracks on the keel > > Thank you, Dennis, for the thorough explanation. > > I had come across the "C&C smile" in the list. My first instinct was that > it's related. When I see the close-up photos of your 35-1, I can recognize > it's the same kind of crack (same general width and depth). > > However, the cracks have different shapes. The cracks of your 35-1 are > only present at the front of the keel, and they are at an angle, actually > resembling a smile. The cracks on the 38-3 I visited are perfectly > horizontal and extend all along the keel. Does your 35-1 have a deep bilge, > like the 38-3 I visited? If it doesn't, that would explain the difference. > > As for the washers, they are present under the bolt nuts. Visually, they > do not seem degraded to me. But I'm not confident that a problem is always > visually detectable. One of the items in the album I linked originally is a > video. The camera gets quite close to the bolts. Here's the link again: > https://photos.app.goo.gl/6RCU4JpoorAXvxe99 > > Thank you, > Olivier > > > On Thu, May 9, 2019, 20:02 Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > >> Probably a simple case of the "C&C smile". This has been discussed ad >> nauseum on this list. Many of us on this list have experienced it and >> repaired it. >> >> In its most frequent occurrence, properly torquing the keel bolts and >> epoxying a couple layers of glass tape over it will fix it. Here's some >> pics of the smile on my 35-1: >> >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/smile/index.htm >> >> That smile was fixed by torquing the keel bolts, digging out some crumbly >> stuff at the hull/keel interface, filling the dug out areas with epoxy >> glass, layering 4 inch biaxial tape over the hull/keel joint, fairing and >> painting. 20 years and 14,000 nautical miles of sailing in all conditions >> later, it has not recurred. >> >> Many of us on the list have similar experience with the smile. >> >> Very infrequently, more action is required. This involves dropping the >> keel and resealing the joint. There may be a void or two or a structural >> weakness around one or more of the keel bolts. Again, this has only been >> observed infrequently. There are folks on this list that have experience >> with that. >> >> Again, the most common occurrence is fixed by properly torquing the >> bolts. Here's a link to the torque specs posted on the C&C site: >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/torquebolts/torquebolts.htm >> >> It was hard to tell in your pics, what is under the keel bolt nuts? >> Another critical piece of fixing the smile is stainless washers or plates >> under the nuts. Many early C&C's had steel plates which degraded allowing >> the keel bolts to become loose. >> >> Dennis C. >> Touche' 35-1 #83 >> Mandeville, LA >> >> On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 6:25 PM Olivier Chatot via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I'm considering buying a C&C 38 Mk3, but I've noticed something on the >>> keel that worries me. >>> >>> There is a horizontal crack on both sides of the keel. The cracks >>> stretch almost the full length of the keel. It's present at the same depth >>> on both sides, but it's more noticeable starboard. (see drawing) >>> >>> The cracks are at the same depth as the keel bolts in the bilge (see >>> photo). The keel bolts seem to be all in good condition. >>> >>> The crack is approx 43 cm (17 inch) lower than the base of the belly of >>> the hull, measured from the outside. >>> >>> Drawing, and photo&video of the bilge here: >>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/6RCU4JpoorAXvxe99 >>> >>> By the way, this C&C 38 has the wing keel option. >>> >>> Have you seen something like this before? >>> Do you think this is superficial, or structural? >>> In your opinion, is it a deal-breaker for the purchase? >>> >>> Any opinion, comment and advise is greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Olivier >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >>> and every one is greatly appreciated. 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