W/L racing is also ‘encouraged’ by some PROs when their mark boats are limited 
to only 1. Much easier to adjust the course if you only need to either adjust 
the line or move only 1 or at most 2 marks (W and L).
Moving a jibe mark efficiently to provide a ‘more perfect’ triangle usually 
requires another mark boat.
If your PRO is on the ‘perfect’ side, 
He/she will insist on moving all marks if the wind shifts significantly—more 
difficult and time consuming with a jibe mark.
Such a PRO lets ‘..the perfect be the enemy of the good..’ IMHO.
As a club PHRF racer and a sailor, I never expect a perfect course, W/L or 
triangle—you deal with what you have from nature,a shifting wind, waves, 
etc.Those sailors who adapt to conditions, including a skewed course, either 
better or faster or both or with a different sail, etc. will often be in the 
podium, not whining about the skewed course from their position in the audience.
If the sailors of long ago waited for perfect conditions, they would rarely 
been able to leave their home port!!
Charlie Nelson1995 C&C 36 XL/kcbWater Phantom


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On Friday, September 10, 2021, 12:55 PM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

 The problem is with the handicap numbers.  A triangle course has only  33% 
beat, if equilateral.  The more you spread out the offset mark, the less 
percentage the beat; the more you pull it in, the higher percentage beat.For 
PHRF to work, I believe they recommend at least a 40% beat.  Preferred is a 50% 
beat like a windward/leeward or a triangle with an extra beat.On a dead 
downwind course one should sail their best angle for the wind speed, not go 
dead downwind.  That's true even for the white sail fleet.  There was a great 
article decades ago about the pole adjusted forward to improve the broad reach 
for white sailed boats.  But with my filing system, I'll never be able to 
produce it if asked.RonWild CheriC&C 30-1STL

    On Friday, September 10, 2021, 11:31:22 AM CDT, Della Barba, Joe via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:  
 
  
This is an ongoing issue with racing, everything is W/L dinghy racing no matter 
if your boat is 10 feet long or 110 feet long. Back in the day when men were 
men and sheep were scared we used government marks and you got what you got, 
reaches, beats, runs, whatever.
 
When I used to RC C&C races I decided dead downwind on a hot day was misery for 
the white sail fleet, so the spinnaker boats went on a W/L course and the 
non-spin fleet used the same windward mark but had an offset somewhere, say 
beam reach to the offset and then broad reach to finish. Less tactics but less 
heatstroke too!
 


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