W/L racing is also ‘encouraged’ by some PROs when their mark boats are limited to only 1. Much easier to adjust the course if you only need to either adjust the line or move only 1 or at most 2 marks (W and L). Moving a jibe mark efficiently to provide a ‘more perfect’ triangle usually requires another mark boat. If your PRO is on the ‘perfect’ side, He/she will insist on moving all marks if the wind shifts significantly—more difficult and time consuming with a jibe mark. Such a PRO lets ‘..the perfect be the enemy of the good..’ IMHO. As a club PHRF racer and a sailor, I never expect a perfect course, W/L or triangle—you deal with what you have from nature,a shifting wind, waves, etc.Those sailors who adapt to conditions, including a skewed course, either better or faster or both or with a different sail, etc. will often be in the podium, not whining about the skewed course from their position in the audience. If the sailors of long ago waited for perfect conditions, they would rarely been able to leave their home port!! Charlie Nelson1995 C&C 36 XL/kcbWater Phantom
Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS On Friday, September 10, 2021, 12:55 PM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: The problem is with the handicap numbers. A triangle course has only 33% beat, if equilateral. The more you spread out the offset mark, the less percentage the beat; the more you pull it in, the higher percentage beat.For PHRF to work, I believe they recommend at least a 40% beat. Preferred is a 50% beat like a windward/leeward or a triangle with an extra beat.On a dead downwind course one should sail their best angle for the wind speed, not go dead downwind. That's true even for the white sail fleet. There was a great article decades ago about the pole adjusted forward to improve the broad reach for white sailed boats. But with my filing system, I'll never be able to produce it if asked.RonWild CheriC&C 30-1STL On Friday, September 10, 2021, 11:31:22 AM CDT, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: This is an ongoing issue with racing, everything is W/L dinghy racing no matter if your boat is 10 feet long or 110 feet long. Back in the day when men were men and sheep were scared we used government marks and you got what you got, reaches, beats, runs, whatever. When I used to RC C&C races I decided dead downwind on a hot day was misery for the white sail fleet, so the spinnaker boats went on a W/L course and the non-spin fleet used the same windward mark but had an offset somewhere, say beam reach to the offset and then broad reach to finish. Less tactics but less heatstroke too! Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu