This debate has raged within Colorado Sail & Yacht Club for the last several years. The J/22 racers argue that the larger PHRF boats (spinnaker or not) should sail windward/leeward courses like they do. The larger PHRF boats (including spinnaker boats) like reaching because that’s when they’re fastest. And it’s not unusual for RC’s best-laid plans to be ruined by mother nature (e.g. 180-degree wind shifts after a race has started on a course around fixed buoys).
I conclude that a single rating number is a poor compromise across multiple points of sail and a range of wind speeds - it’s like estimating a surface with a point. I win when it’s blowing hard, but get beat in light air by asym boats on broad reach. There’s no way a single number can equalize boats across all possible courses and conditions. So as an experiment we’ve done what Donald Kern mentioned in another reply - sometimes we make the J/22s and Capri 22s sail triangles in addition to W/L, and the larger PHRF boats sail W/L in addition to triangles, using long courses that combine course types. At the very least it gives us some empathy for each other. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #79 Ken Caryl, CO > On Sep 10, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Joe, Kenny Read agrees with you. He wrote an article to that effect some > months ago. > > Andy > > Andrew Burton > 26 Beacon Hill > Newport, RI > USA 02840 > > +401 965 5260 > https://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ > <https://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/> > > > >> On Sep 10, 2021, at 12:35, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> >> I have been in races that were almost 100% downwind or 100% upwind, thanks >> to perfect timing of wind shifts. Somehow it worked out and the PHRF ratings >> are what they are and we dealt with it. >> >> I know many people disagree, but IMHO making big boat racing resemble dinghy >> racing and making dinghy racing a science experiment with perfect upwind and >> downwind legs has not been a good thing at all. I once had 3 dinghy fleets >> and sent the Lasers reaching up the river a bit to deconflict them with the >> other fleets and I never heard so much whining – we can’t sail on a REACH! >> It turned out you actually can if the RC makes you 😃 >> >> YMMV >> >> Joe >> >> Coquina >> >> >> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with >> the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use >> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - >> Stu > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with > the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
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