It was my understanding that PHRF ratings factored in reaching. That said. 1 ¼ mile W/L course(s) on a sym 40’ got old real fast. Needed 8 crew. And then burnt out that crew in a 4 race a day regatta. No fun.
We stopped that silliness years ago. Only long distance now. From: Randal Stafford via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2021 10:58 PM To: Stus-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Randal Stafford <randal.staff...@icloud.com> Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: C&C 33-II vs 35-II now race course design This debate has raged within Colorado Sail & Yacht Club for the last several years. The J/22 racers argue that the larger PHRF boats (spinnaker or not) should sail windward/leeward courses like they do. The larger PHRF boats (including spinnaker boats) like reaching because that’s when they’re fastest. And it’s not unusual for RC’s best-laid plans to be ruined by mother nature (e.g. 180-degree wind shifts after a race has started on a course around fixed buoys). I conclude that a single rating number is a poor compromise across multiple points of sail and a range of wind speeds - it’s like estimating a surface with a point. I win when it’s blowing hard, but get beat in light air by asym boats on broad reach. There’s no way a single number can equalize boats across all possible courses and conditions. So as an experiment we’ve done what Donald Kern mentioned in another reply - sometimes we make the J/22s and Capri 22s sail triangles in addition to W/L, and the larger PHRF boats sail W/L in addition to triangles, using long courses that combine course types. At the very least it gives us some empathy for each other. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #79 Ken Caryl, CO On Sep 10, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Joe, Kenny Read agrees with you. He wrote an article to that effect some months ago. Andy Andrew Burton 26 Beacon Hill Newport, RI USA 02840 +401 965 5260 https://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsites.google.com%2Fsite%2Fandrewburtonyachtservices%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C98abfc3dd057440bf72608d974cff4d4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637669258781247860%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=SpoWl0d2tzPn6XnPxW50Fvlw7wqhqrXt4N0EkPf0SF4%3D&reserved=0> On Sep 10, 2021, at 12:35, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I have been in races that were almost 100% downwind or 100% upwind, thanks to perfect timing of wind shifts. Somehow it worked out and the PHRF ratings are what they are and we dealt with it. I know many people disagree, but IMHO making big boat racing resemble dinghy racing and making dinghy racing a science experiment with perfect upwind and downwind legs has not been a good thing at all. I once had 3 dinghy fleets and sent the Lasers reaching up the river a bit to deconflict them with the other fleets and I never heard so much whining – we can’t sail on a REACH! It turned out you actually can if the RC makes you 😃 YMMV Joe Coquina Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.me%2Fstumurray&data=04%7C01%7C%7C98abfc3dd057440bf72608d974cff4d4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637669258781257855%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=bQB8Tc7U7Ppn0sgEzbQc%2BZtKz71vSwuIEcrlc%2FcjnYQ%3D&reserved=0> Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.me%2Fstumurray&data=04%7C01%7C%7C98abfc3dd057440bf72608d974cff4d4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637669258781257855%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=bQB8Tc7U7Ppn0sgEzbQc%2BZtKz71vSwuIEcrlc%2FcjnYQ%3D&reserved=0> Thanks - Stu
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