This has gone far enough.

The thread is closed. It is appropriate for this list.


On Aug 31, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Jeffrey Oleander <jgo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> From: davel...@mac.com <davel...@mac.com>
>> To: cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com
>> Date: Thursday, 2012 August 30, 18:26
>>> On 2012 Aug 30, at 18:09, z...@mac.com wrote:
>>>> From: Jeffrey Oleander <jgo...@yahoo.com>
>>>> Thu, 2012 Aug 30 13:57:44 
>>>> To: <cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Sandboxing die.die.die 
>>>> Sandboxing die.die.die
>>>> Code-Signing die.die.die
>>>> Javascript die.die.die
>>>> Kludgey CPUs die.die.die
>>>> Bodyshopping die.die.die
> Contextless docs die.die.die
>>>> (throwing hammer at hare-brained power-mad forces of
>>>> evil)
>>>> 
>>>> Now, when can we cut the chains and get back to
>>>> developing great apps?
> 
>>> Easy. When the exact items that we have issues with
>>> are addressed.
>>> 
>>> It's not that hard. Listen to the developers and
>>> fix what causes the most problems for them. 
>>> 
>>> You satisfy their needs and as a result have
>>> developers creating great apps easier and faster.
>>> 
>>> If you don't do this, then the focus from management
>>> is in the wrong place.
> 
>> But you're tilting at windmills here.
> 
> Cervantes... Don Quixote de la Mancha charging at
> what he thought was an evil, force and fraud initiating
> knight, but, in reality attacking a wind-mill.  That's 
> not the case, here.  (Why do so many people mis-apply
> that expression to deride others' efforts to improve
> things?)
> 
> These are actual design flaws and bugs, and lack of 
> clarity completeness and context in docs.
> 
>> This is not an official support channel. File Radars....
> 
> I would but it's broken... again.  Hence:
>>> Javascript die.die.die
>>> Javascript die.die.die
> 
> On the plus side, display manufacturers have made
> larger, higher res displays.  Yay.  OTOH, who can
> afford them in this approximately 13th year of the 
> Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama economic depression.  raspberries.
> 
> OT3H, all past bug reports and requests for improvements
> in docs have gone to the bit bucket.  Not corrected,
> just closed, rarely acknowledged.
> 
> I used to do tech support.  I've worked on ticketing/
> bug report systems.  I've seen developers and tech writers
> do such things in the past.  The only real solution is
> for someone within the company to be given enough clout
> to see that the bugs are actually corrected before the
> ticket gets closed.  The usual pattern is for it to get
> worse and worse over a period of a decade or more before
> someone comes along to clean house.
> 
> But I don't expect miracles.  Apple has high revenues,
> so some folks are satisfied with what they're getting
> for now, and I get the impression there are lots of 
> newbie developers willing to put up with draconian 
> nonsense just to have the chance to develop at all.
> 
> Until the bugs and design flaws and docs are all corrected, 
> I'll continue grumping by whatever channels are open, 
> thankyouverymuch, though I do refrain for long periods --
> often years at a stretch -- so as not to jam the lines 
> of communication.  I'm making an exception, this time,
> by posting twice, simply because there's quite a bit of
> spill-over aggravation from the US (and UK) politicians 
> of several parties striving mightily to make STEM job 
> markets worse in this political cycle.
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