On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 23:50, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > --On Wednesday, July 21, 2004 4:01 PM -0400 Stefano Mazzocchi > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I completely disagree with this view. > > I don't see why the ASF *has* to support water-cooler conversations. It > just doesn't coincide with our mission. Other people and sites can run > them individually outside of the ASF - I've no problem with that *at all*.
Because we are human beings. Huddling together around the camp fire and swapping war stories is part of our nature. That's why I think that a community@ list is appropriate. I don't consider myself a robot cranking out code for the ASF. [...] > I'm also peeved by the response of 'create a new mailing list' to almost > any problem. It's terribly uncreative and places a *lot* of burden on > those who are stuck running the infrastructure. Actually, I take offense of this paragraph. If you are 'stuck' running the infrastructure, why don't you let others help you? I still found no way to communicate with the infrastructure people to offer *help*. When eyebrowse broke down (e.g. for the Turbine lists), I asked on infrastructure@ and offered to help getting it back up (I do run a few servers over here and am willing to help out with the daily burdens of keeping a few servers on track). However, it seems that "living in Silicon Valley" seems to be an indispensable prerequisite to be considered as a helper for [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just being part of the community doesn't seem to be enough. So, yes, you are "stuck with running the infrastructure". Mainly because (at least I feel like this) you (and I don't mean "you, Justin", but "you, infrastructure") don't seem to want people help you. Or tell those others here on community@, what we can do to be considered as "junior infrastructure people" to relief your burdens. Regards Henning -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] +49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services RHCE - Consultant - Jakarta Turbine Development - hero for hire "Fighting for one's political stand is an honourable action, but re- fusing to acknowledge that there might be weaknesses in one's position - in order to identify them so that they can be remedied - is a large enough problem with the Open Source movement that it deserves to be on this list of the top five problems." --Michelle Levesque, "Fundamental Issues with Open Source Software Development" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]