On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 07:09:56PM -0700, Keith M Wesolowski wrote: > On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 06:10:16PM -0700, Philip Brown wrote: > > > Addendum: Sun employees should have exclusive access to make changes. > > "community" folks can always submit patches, whatever, but someone > > at Sun, officially on behalf of Sun, has to approve and integrate > > suggested changes. > > I disagree. This is arguably the least desirable and most annoying > aspect of the temporary process in place for ON: it's slow, it's > inefficient, it does not scale, it establishes a clear class > distinction between those with Magic Sun Badges and those without, and > it imposes tremendous cost on Sun.
Why is someone inside sun, making statement about how "desirable" something is, when the idea is supposed to be what sun CUSTOMERS want? I think as a sun employee, you are disqualified from making those kinds of statements... please leave that to actual sun-external customers :-P Alan is doing the right thing, in ASKING sun customers what we want, rather than telling us what we want. Additionally, this was supposed to be a list of desirable features, not "what is the cheapest and least effort for sun to implement" Not to mention, this is not "tremendous cost". It would take just a handful of fulltime employeees to be official sun gatekeepers for this stuff. We do it, so sun should be able to do it. We have actual experience doing this, so we know exactly what is actually required, resource-wise. If sun spent exhorbitant amounts of money and staff doing this before... doesnt mean that the process actually REQUIRES that much. Just that sun wasnt doing it as efficiently as others have done it. To answer the semi-unspoken question of WHY I put that in there; it is to meet the needs of existing 'customers' of the CCD, who use it simply because it is organized and compiled 100% by sun employees, at sun's behest, on sun media. There's a certain "warm fuzzy" factor there, that goes away, if additions can be put into parts of it with no sun supervision. Yes, it doesnt make sense in the larger picture, because the source of the source, so to speak, is not by sun employees either. But that's the way some businesses think. Those businesses are the reason the CCD exists in the first place, since after all, they could have gone to sunfreeware.com many years before the CCD was ever first distributed. They didnt, because it was a resource external to sun. > The way forward for OpenSolaris is > the exact opposite - eventually, there will be no distinction at all > between Sun and not-Sun with respect to development of the open > codebases. That's terrible, and I hope that either you are misstating things, or someone wakes up and smells the burning coffee. One of the BAD things about the open source dynamic with linux, in comparison, is that there is a whole bunch of badly badly written code in there, because there isnt enough oversight for who submits what into the tree.
