I don't think that AI is a current worry on the list right now? I mean, if a
public set up means that unsavory characters can use AI to access our list and
do stuff with it that is causing the concern of others, it's all related, I
feel.
I actually didn't realize that anything was public *now*. I thought that I had
access to archives because I am a member. Is that not the case?
Perry
On Wednesday, August 6, 2025 at 10:41:58 AM EDT, Angela DeCarlis
<[email protected]> wrote:
@Perry, have we had problems with unsavory characters accessing our list
as-is? Assuming not, let's not complicate this discussion with less relevant
concerns! 🙂
On Wed, Aug 6, 2025 at 10:25 AM Perry Shafran via Contra Callers
<[email protected]> wrote:
My personal view is that I personally don't care one way or the other - but
there seems to be enough concern by others to push the list to being private.
I know that there are many benefits to it being public, but "public" means that
all sorts of unsavory characters can access and do whatever with it, and that's
enough for me to keep it private. There's no financial cost whatsoever to
membership, so anyone who wants the info should be approved before they get
access.
I'm sure there are benefits to having a public list, but I think those benefits
are maintained if you make it private and have people join the group.
Perry Shafran
On Wednesday, August 6, 2025 at 10:12:01 AM EDT, Maia McCormick via Contra
Callers <[email protected]> wrote:
Just my two cents, not an opinion that's necessarily strong enough to sway us
one way or the other but figured I'd share:
I really don’t feel excited about feeding the giant capitalist dystopia
plagiarism machine. I don't see "improving the capability of LLMS" as an
obvious good. I think that LLMs are good for a ton of things, but the current
hype is overblown and dangerous and I'm just hoping the current bubble pops
before it does more damage.
I agree that if you exist on the Internet these days, it's pretty hard to avoid
having your content fed to LLMs; and I think the benefit of having the listserv
be public to nonmembers may very well outweigh the costs of feeding the giant
capitalist dystopia plagiarism machine. However, I will be pretty grumpy if we
decide that feeding the plagiarism machine is the express reason WHY we are
leaving the listserv public.--Maia McCormick (she/her)917.279.8194
On Wed, Aug 6, 2025 at 5:22 AM Mo Waddington via Contra Callers
<[email protected]> wrote:
Some of us are UK based, so members of EFDSS not CDSS
On 05/08/2025 22:29, Sivier, Jonathan E via Contra Callers wrote:
There are 2 different elements of a group that can be made private. There is
the archive of past messages and then there is the group itself. I would
suggest that even if the archives are made private, so that only group members
can access them, that the groups should still be listed in the Groups.io
directory. That would mean that people looking for dance related groups could
find them and apply to join. Of course, if the intention is that only CDSS
members can join the groups then I suppose they shouldn't be listed in the
directory and links to the groups could be available in CDSS Commons where CDSS
members can log in and then apply to join one or more lists.
Jonathan
From: Sivier, Jonathan E <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2025 3:42 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Callers] Re: List archives
If you are a member of the group, and logged in, the numbers under the
months are links to the archive.
Jonathan
From: Keith Elmo Eldridge via Contra Callers
<[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2025 3:35 PM
To: 'barbara153' <[email protected]>; 'Michael Fuerst via Contra Callers'
<[email protected]>
Subject: [Callers] Re: List archives Barbara wrote:
> How would I access these lists if you change to private?
I moved a number of genealogical Mailing Lists from RootsWeb to Groups.io in
2020. The archives for them are not private and they at listed by month at the
bottom of the page for each Group. E.g. for my Essex-UK Group go to:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://groups.io/g/Essex-UK__;!!DZ3fjg!9gV8o9q6jEA1a6Er2YCQnai2kNjSMwFB65l8lSysasHxZnxWAwmAwH2cSfWqNeEG4wSDNCwz82fqN8Cg8LZa6z_yfaMrrI9N15Iu$
When the archives for a Group are private the message per month are shown, but
there are no links, just a number. E.g.
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://groups.io/g/Podger__;!!DZ3fjg!9gV8o9q6jEA1a6Er2YCQnai2kNjSMwFB65l8lSysasHxZnxWAwmAwH2cSfWqNeEG4wSDNCwz82fqN8Cg8LZa6z_yfaMrrI3g-yj8$
Cheers
Elmo
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--Keith Elmo Eldridge
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--Sheffield, England
--I am therefore I dance. I dance therefore I am.
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