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Greg,
    I agree with you in part, but not entirely.  I agree that there are
bad parts of our country to live
in, as you named a few. I am not a policeman so don't think I'm siding
with them for that reason.
    As I said in a previous post, there are bad and good apples in every
barrel.  I think if I were a
policeman and had the misfortune of living in one of the cities you
mentioned and for some strange
reason had decided not to move out of that area to improve myself and my
living standards then I might
become hardened and bitter like those cops must be.  After all, if you
handle garbage all day, everyday,
you'll soon start smelling of garbage.
    Perhaps when a cop becomes so callused and hardenned that he turns
into a monster towards everyone
that he encounters he should be forced to remove himself from the
department. But, who is going to
enforce this if all his peers are the same?
    I know, and have known, quite a few cops in my area, some are pilots
and some I've ridden
motorcycles with.  I've heard their vocabulary....'the perf was a scumbag
or a slimeball'. I used to
hear, 'he was a real sleezy charactor' but I guess that's what the cops
think the good guys are now.
Adam 12 (on TV) was the cops of the 50's and 60's.  Today is a whole
different situation, the bad guys
are much badder (and moe of them) and the good guys are much more seldom
heard about. Our media
'thrives' on the bad things and seldom reports anything else. Why? because
our society has such low
morals now that we thrive on it as well.
    The heart of our problems in my area (excluding drugs) is centered
around the University campus
area.  The professional activists who protest anything and everything, the
anarchists that start riots,
overturn cars, vandalize passing cars (who don't want any part of the riot
that they just suddenly find
themselves caught in the middle of).
    A lot of these activists aren't enrolled in the University, they are
from out of state and just hang
around there because they know that the 'young and ambitious minds' of the
college students will jump on
the band wagon and join in on the protests. They don't need much
encouragement and all of a sudden
they're caught in the middle of a riot and don't even know fully what it's
all about.
    That's okay, the cops are obviously the 'bad guys' because when the
rioters were told to disband and
clear the streets but refused to do so, the cops had no right to defend
themselves with batons and
pepper spray.
    And get this, the cops are issued rubber bullets, and shotguns that
shoot bean bags. The time is
coming my friends when we will be living under 'martial law'. I'm retired
military and I've lived in
countries where 'martial law' prevailed. It ain't fun folks but mark my
words, it's coming to our
country as well. Go watch an old WWII movie on TV and notice the military
uniforms walking the streets
carrying rifles, grenades, etc. picture yourself on that street, how would
you like it???
    Right now, we just have small problems and  when the cops are called
out and they use their batons
and pepper spray to try and restore order and protect the innocent people
and the stores that are being
destroyed, they get reprimanded by the press and the 'do-gooder' groups
who call it "police brutality".
    If the troublemakers weren't looking for trouble in the first place
(pre-memitated rioting and
looting) they wouldn't have been there in the first place and those big
bad  policemen wouldn't have had
to use the batons and pepper spray.  Why should we have a police force if
we won't allow them to do
their jobs?
    I don't remember the name of the city, but a couple of years ago in
New Mexico (I think) the crime
was so out of control that the sheriff or city council passed a law that
all adults in the city must
have a gun.  A strange thing happened, the crime rate dropped to nearly
zero.  The bad guys knew that
there were guns in every house and business and now they didn't have an
advantage over the poor
defenceless people of the town.  "Gee, they can shoot back at us now",
maybe we'd better not rob this
place.
    Okay folks, I've been on my 'soapbox' long enough, I'm going to close
this off and go outside and
try and do something productive. I think I've 'stirred the pot' enough for
one day.
    Take it seriously, or with a grain of salt. It's only our future that
is at stake here.

Bob Saville
Eugene, OR

BTW, what does this subject have to do with 'coupes anyway?  How did we
get side tracked from flying?
This should be on some social 'chat-net' instead of here among all us nice
pilot types.............
"Keep Coupes Flying"

Bob Saville


Greg Bullough wrote:

> ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following
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> At 10:23 PM 8/11/00 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >I was just curious, who do you call if you need help when you or your
family
> >is the victim of a crime?
>
> A specious argument at best. Continuation of the classic use
> of fear tactics to justify the abuses which are rampant in the
profession.
> The need for policing does not and never will justify abuses of power.
>
> Unfortunately, some of us live in New Jersey, where racism and classism
> is endorsed and taught in our police academies first and by senior
mentors
> to junior officers subsequently. For that matter, there is also New
York, Los
> Angeles...
>
> Then of course, there are the risks of telling an officer, "no," or
talking
> back, even within your rights to do so. Suddenly, one is threatened with
> being 'taken to jail' or maybe just roughed up a bit.
>
> Your profession has brought its PR problems on  itself.
>
> If you want to solve the problems, knock off the use of scare tactics
when
> confronted with them, knock off the denials, and knock off the code of
> silence crap, and demand a change in the behavior of your colleagues.
>
> Greg
>
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