Yeah, I'm also the same Brendan at Platinum Digital Group ( http://platinumdigitalgroup.net) so you would think I would know a bit or two about this subject matter.
On Thursday, October 8, 2015, Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek < proph...@sticed.org> wrote: > Because obviously this is the csgo_servers list. > BTW are you by any chance this brenhein? > http://bans.trashedgamers.org/index.php?p=banlist&advSearch=brenhein&advType=name > Nice try, bb. > > On 08.10.2015 23:22, Brendan wrote: > > But this software does not make it more available, it just displays > information in a different way. I don't see how this discourse is > "derailing" because it is directly related to the topic. > > On Thursday, October 8, 2015, Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek < > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','proph...@sticed.org');>proph...@sticed.org > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','proph...@sticed.org');>> wrote: > >> By saying that a software or modification that meets this criteria is not >> a cheat: >> >> -Anything that takes information that is available on the client-side in >> some way (hey, that would include all hacks) and makes it (more) available >> to the player. >> >> Feel free to personally email me outside this list if you require more >> explanation. I'm not participating in further derailment here, which I have >> the feeling is your actual intention. >> >> On 08.10.2015 23:04, Brendan wrote: >> >> Where exactly did I say those were not cheats? >> >> On Thursday, October 8, 2015, Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek < >> proph...@sticed.org> wrote: >> >>> According to you the following things are not cheats: >>> >>> -Material hacks that recolor players so they can be spotted more easily >>> -Aim assist (because hey, that's where the player wanted to aim anyway) >>> -Changing footstep sounds >>> >>> -Anything that takes information that is available on the client-side in >>> some way (hey, that would include all hacks) and makes it (more) available >>> to the player. >>> >>> You should know that compared to predators (i.e. cats) the human brain >>> is pretty inaccurate when it comes to localizing sounds. This gets >>> exaggerated by the individual sound setup, as we position sounds by how >>> much time difference the brain is able to measure between the sound >>> reaching both ears and the difference in volume. Plus, true surround sound >>> headsets do not exist (manufacturers claim of having 5.1 capable products, >>> however the number of individual speakers is below that). Shitty on-board >>> sound which almost everybody uses adds to this as well. I doubt the source >>> engine actually delays the arrival of sound between the two ears according >>> to positions (it would be nice to know), so the localization would solely >>> be based on the volume difference. >>> Now if I turn down the music volume, I have the overall ambient sound >>> (which I can ignore), and the sounds of all player interactions. So there >>> is actually barely any noise to distinguish. This is f-ing accurate, even >>> in a non-competitive crowded setting Sonic Radar Demo 720 >>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSZbQK4RAgQ> Asus Sonic Radar II - >>> Counter Strike Global Offensive by PCLab.pl >>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QYR9DiqeE4> >>> >>> @Michael: I think you should email this to a dev then, or whoever is >>> responsible for vac. >>> >>> On 08.10.2015 22:19, Brendan wrote: >>> >>> This software is not a cheat. This software simply displays information >>> that the player already has in a different way. According to demos I've >>> seen, this software is not capable of distinguishing footsteps from ambient >>> sounds, actions, and music. That means a player would have to distinguish >>> signal (footsteps) from a huge amount of noise. Our brains already have >>> very accurate algorithms to determine the direction sound is coming from. >>> This software is really nothing more then a marketing gimmick. >>> >>> Have you ever considered that the individual in your clan is using >>> actual cheats and using this software as an excuse for only playing MM and >>> not leagues? I have a hard time believing that this software could give >>> any sort of significant edge. >>> ________________ >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek < >>> proph...@sticed.org >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','proph...@sticed.org');>> wrote: >>> >>>> I thought this was csgo_servers? >>>> You might be better off mentioning this on reddit or directly asking >>>> tournament officials about this. >>>> >>>> But yes, this sounds like a cheat. ("I get it!") >>>> >>>> >>>> On 08.10.2015 20:10, Michael Loveless wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm curious what some of you think about this? >>>> >>>> <http://rog.asus.com/technology/rog-sound-innovations/sonic-radar/> >>>> http://rog.asus.com/technology/rog-sound-innovations/sonic-radar/ >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm finding out that someone in my clan has been using this for quite >>>> some time. The kid has the game sense of a cheese sandwich but always >>>> knows where people are. He plays in no competitive leagues at all, just a >>>> matchmaking god. >>>> >>>> Right in it's description in the link it tells you flat out that it >>>> gives you an advantage in certain scenarios and also enhances/pinpoints >>>> footstep sound. >>>> >>>> Here is a snippet from the link that bothers me the most: >>>> >>>> "Sonic radar gives a strategic advantage on some very particular >>>> moments such as: >>>> >>>> - being threatened from outside the gamers sight range (draw distance)" >>>> >>>> That is fucked. It's completely toggleable as well. Maybe someone here >>>> has better insight on this and why it's allowed when on the surface it >>>> seems to be on the same level as ESP, radar, or any other cheat that >>>> detects players positions. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Csgo_servers mailing >>>> listCsgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.comhttps://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/csgo_servers >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Csgo_servers mailing list >>>> Csgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.com >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/csgo_servers >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Csgo_servers mailing >>> listCsgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.comhttps://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/csgo_servers >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> ________________ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Csgo_servers mailing >> listCsgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.comhttps://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/csgo_servers >> >> >> > > -- > ________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Csgo_servers mailing listcsgo_serv...@list.valvesoftware.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Csgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.com');>https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/csgo_servers > > > -- ________________
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