Hi, Georg, and thanks for this detailed reply!
> your page is full of markup errors...
Thanks for bringing these to my attention -- I'll look into all of them when
some time becomes available.
Related questions: why, if using an <li> without an ordered or unordered list
is not allowed, does it work on my site? What are the negative consequences
of using it that way?
>background is positioned 50% from the left side - regardless of window size.
Yes -- I used the 'negative margins' technique to (sort of) center the whole
thing ('sort of', because I didn't want it symmetrically centered). But while I
understand how my background's width causes the horizontal scrollbar, how does
the "left: 50%;" affect either the scrollbar or my friend's 'zooming' of all
elements?
>what Fx version did you test in and what settings were at play?
FF 3.0.8, on a Mac OSX 10.5.6. I'm pretty sure the whole thing was 'zoomed',
but my friend says that she has to negatively zoom in order to obtain my page's
intended size! All I can imagine is that my friend has some kind of 'automatic
zoom' set up -- either on her computer, or in FF -- but, so far, I haven't been
able to discover such a feature, in any of the online literature. I'm baffled!
>Individual elements hold their declared width, but the page as such needs
>1650px wide windows to get rid of the horizontal scrollbar
Yes, I'm assuming that's because of the wide #background div I've used. As I
wrote to Phillipe, I added that div because I felt the design looked pretty
weak without it, when viewed on wider screens/windows. Aside from using a
fluid design, is there any way I could have it both ways?
>The declared dimensions on paragraphs and parent-less list-items are creating
>problems...
This sounds serious, but:
><http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/ml/test_09_0410.html>
. . . For some reason, I keep getting a "not found" error message when trying
to go to that URL.
>...and extra horizontal width all browsers have to cope with. Why not let
>those elements auto-adjust to their containers?
Ah -- as in the following? :
>FWIW: it looks like you're attempting to recreate print design on the web, and
>that rarely ever works well.
I know. The problem, though, was that I needed to get the site up immediately
-- it's the second site I've ever done, and I'm very slow at this kind of
thing. With all its flaws, my only previous experience was with a print-style
design. I keep telling myself that I'll try to learn these things for my
next site, but, given that I'm still in the dark with a lot of what I've
already learned, even that may turn out to be too ambitious.
Thanks for your help, Georg!
All the best,
Michael
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From: Gunlaug Sørtun <gunla...@c2i.net>
To: Michael Leibson <michael_mabe...@yahoo.ca>
Cc: Eric Meyer's CSS List <css-d@lists.css-discuss.org>
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:01:10 AM
Subject: Re: [css-d] Firefox bug on on new Macs?
Michael Leibson wrote:
> I used Firefox to view my website on a friend's zillion-pixel-wide new Mac,
> yesterday, and I was astonished to find that all elements on
> all pages had a significantly increased width, so that the design was
> effectively spread, horizontally, to fit the (maximized) window.
Don't know how wide the screen on a zillion-pixel-wide new Mac is, but
my trusty old win machine provides me with a 3800 px wide screen for
browsers if/when I need it.
I need nearly half of that screen-area for your page, in any browser,
just to get rid of the horizontal scrollbar. That's before adding
page-zoom to the equation.
> This would have pleased me, were my design fluid -- but it isn't: it's fixed!
1: your page is full of markup errors...
<http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.thinkingmusic.ca/>
...and some of those are serious.
2: background is positioned 50% from the left side - regardless of
window size.
3: what Fx version did you test in and what settings were at play?
> www.thinkingmusic.ca .
Individual elements hold their declared width, but the page as such
needs 1650px wide windows to get rid of the horizontal scrollbar.
The declared dimensions on paragraphs and parent-less list-items are
creating problems...
<http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/ml/test_09_0410.html>
...and extra horizontal width all browsers have to cope with.
Why not let those elements auto-adjust to their containers?
FWIW: it looks like you're attempting to recreate print design on the
web, and that rarely ever works well.
regards
Georg
-- http://www.gunlaug.no
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