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Dear Jim ~
Thank you SO much! You said it all beautifully! I would like to add
just one more thing to consider:
The world by all accounts is at least thousands of years old. There
are only 365 days a year [even Leap Years have only one day more]. No
matter what day we pick for any Christian holiday or religious
observance, we are sure to hear from somebody that particular day is a
pagan holiday. Bottom line, each of us is free to celebrate it in our
own way - AT LEAST FOR NOW!
Godspeed!
The OUTLAWLADY
Jim Condit Jr. wrote:
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> I think June's sign off at the bottom of this exchange is hilarious: here
> it is:> "June (who gladly decorates trees, recognizing their pagan roots,
> but doesn't worship them)..." This sums up a lot of the situation. There
> is no question, for instance, that when St. Boniface found the Germans
> worshipping the evergreen trees, he told them to keep the tree as a part of
> the celebration, but worship it no longer, rather use it in the celebration
> of the birth of Jesus Christ, the true fount of ever-(green)-lasting life.
> (OK, I through in the "green" myself, but you get the idea.) Now, what is
> so wrong with this? St. Boniface gave up a non-essential, to focus the
> population on an essential. . . . and so this method has been used over and
> over by the Roman Catholic Church . . . with the result that the world
> became civilized. And now the forces of neo-paganism with their birth
> prevention (anti-baby) pills, abortion, "mercy" killing and the whole mix,
> knows enough to focus on the Roman Catholic Church as its main enemy,
> witness the absurd Celestine Prophecy series, of recent vintage.
>
> Many neo-pagans think they have a great "find" when they reveal that many
> cultures have the story of a Savior, and mother and child "team" like Jesus
> and Mary, etc. Did it ever occur to any of these neo-pagans that the ONLY
> way these "legends" could have appeared in so many cultures is that they
> have a common source? And that source was the promise of a Savior for
> mankind passed on by Noah after the great flood. As the earth was
> repopulated, and the peoples spread out over the earth, the legend got
> corrupted and ended up in many different versions in the different
> cultures. Or does anyone care to uphold the only possible alternative
> hypothesis, that 'evolution" planted the need for the the "Savior ---
> Mother-Child" in mankind as it "evolved" -- what a RELIGIOUS "blind, but
> consistent, force" evolution would have to be!"
>
> And those who believe that Jesus is a myth, might try to explain the Shoud
> of Turin, which still defies all explanations despite Ruling Elite attempts
> to debunk it in recent years; the miracle at Fatima in 1917 witnessed by
> 70,000 people and converting the skeptics at O Seculo (Lisbon, Portugal)
> newpaper who came to ridicule and expose it as a hoax --- the
> Incorruptibles, (see book by Joan Carroll), etc. and so on. As Joe Sobran
> said, if you think that Jesus was a hoax, consider that His words are still
> be quoted 2000 years later --- and he didn't exactly have Big TV to help
> spread them in everyone's household. But even so, how is it His words are
> still quoted so extensively 2000 years later? Sobran recommends that those
> who think this type of thing can be manufactured, should "get in practice"
> by trying to say just ONE thing that people the world over will be
> repeating 5 years from now, or ten years from now. Go ahead, try it. You
> have the internet to help you now. It might not be as easy as you think
> without Divine backing.
>
> Anyway, Merry Christmas to all, and to all a Good Night! Jim Condit Jr.
>
> On Saturday, December 26, 1998 9:10 AM, KA [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > On Fri, 25 Dec 1998, Kenn Thomas wrote:
> > >Needless to say, the vast majority of the human species is utterly
> asleep
> > >to the real meaning of December 25th, which has absolutely nothing to do
> > >with the birth of a superhuman Jewish savior 2,000 years ago. In the
> > >first place, the Jesus character is a fiction created by the mystery
> > >schools of the Roman Empire. Thus, he was NOT born at any time, except
> in
> > >the minds of the conspirators.
> >
> > Well, since this is solely OPINION, it is not arguable or verifiable one
> > way or the other...
> >
> >
> > >The December 25th date actually represents the last day of the winter
> > >solstice, when the SUN is born again after a long descent into the
> > >"underworld" beginning at the summer solstice, six months earlier. The
> >
> > The winter solstice is ONE day, a day which COMMENCES the winter season,
> > and it falls every year around the 21st or 22nd of December...
> >
> > December 25th is in no way the 'end' of winter, whether of the solstice
> > or the season...
> >
> >
> > >word "solstice" means "sun stands still," and from midnight of December
> > >21st to midnight of December 24th, the sun appears to stand still, in
> that
> >
> > No, that phenomenom only lasts one day/night...
> >
> > But the pagan Yule celebrations which commenced on the solstice DID last
> > approximately 12 days (the amount of time generally needed to burn the
> > huge Yule log)...
> >
> > December 25th fell in the middle of the Roman Saturnalia, a festival
> > observed in most of the Roman empire...it was also the date assigned by
> > the followers of Mithraism (a major religion of the late empire, with
> > many parallels to Christianity) for Mithras' birthday...so after many
> > centuries of trying to proscribe Christians from taking part in
> > festivities on that day (or indeed, during the whole season), the
> > Christian Church decided to 'allow' it by claiming the date for Jesus'
> > birth...
> >
> >
> > >Sigh. I truly hope humankind will wake up to this information. It is
> so
> > >exhausting and sickening to combat the psychosis that passes itself off
> as
> > >"faith." Anybody got a spaceship? I'm ready to get outta here. :0
> >
> > So...are you arguing that there should be NO celebration at all, whether
> > with the semi-religious veneer or not?
> >
> > Bah, humbug! Indeed...
> >
> >
> > June (who gladly decorates trees, recognizing their pagan roots, but
> > doesn't worship them)...
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