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You need to do some research on the subject, H. (with all due respect).
The Canadian government is subsidizing their producers. Your remarks
about agricultural subsidies demonstrates your basic lack of knowledge
about conditions in the agricultural sector.
The reason why you should "buy American" is quite simple. Your dollars
are going to insure the continued productivity of our domestic economy.
The wheat farmers are Americans who pay taxes, send their kids off to war
to protect the country. If the wheat farmers do well economically, rural
America does well... The agricultural sector supports thousands of small
businesses throughout the American Midwest. Each dollar that is spent in
a rural community is "rolled over" several times through that community.
When you buy American products, you are supporting your country. It's
that simple. You are indirectly the beneficiary of the economic wellbeing
of your fellow citizens. The farmers pay taxes that support basic
services like schools, highways, medical services...
If your fellow citizens go under economically, eventually,
YOU will be asked to pay for their welfare. Their economic distress
undermines your own economic security. How so? Re-read your American
history. Take a look at the American Depression. When money is taken out
of an economy, out of the pockets of ordinary working people, the system
eventually collapses.
Re: Your "tribal mentality" remarks. They are fundamentally racist and
absurd. First of all, Native Americans did not have a "money" economy.
Their technological expertise could not rival the Europeans (who, as you
must know) were the heirs and technological beneficiaries of several
advanced civilizations (Rome, Greece, Egypt, the cultures of the Levant)..
The European expansion was based on CENTURIES of cultural trials and
errors... Also, look at the role that geography,a temperate climate,
and proximity to the "civilized" Near East played in the development of
Europe.
Re: "God made animals for us" comments. They're made for the plate? An
interesting argument. I would only point out that we might consider some
healthier, "kinder and gentler" (borrowing a phrase) ways of taking care
of our protein needs. Just a thought. But of course we could follow PJ
O'Rourke's advice and eat the rich.
Regards,
Wm
On Mon, 4 Jan 1999, Hawk wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
>
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > Thank you for the excellent post. Here in North Dakota, the agricultural
> > community is hurting thanks to a number of stupid government policies...
> > NAFTA and the Republican "Freedom to Farm" bill... The wheat growers are
> > particularly angry at Canadian dumping of wheat on this side of the
> > border...
>
> The wheat consumers -- such as I -- are particularly angry at the US Govm't for
> subsidizing farmers and paying them NOT to grow wheat... However, I hasten point out
> that I disbelieve you when you say that Canadians are "dumping" wheat in the United
> States... Why would they do that? Seems like they would sell it to Americans. And
>if
> Amercians are buying Canadian wheat rather than American wheat, doesn't it make you
> wonder why? Could it be that they are selling it at a price MOST Americans would
> rather pay? Why should I subsidize a North Dakota farmer who's trying to rip me off
> by charging higher prices than the Canadians?
>
> > Out in the western half of the state ( posse comitatus-militia country), the beef
> > industry still holds sway.... The cattle industry plays hell with the
> > environment...
>
> There's an interesting idea.... Who's "environment?" Chances are it is land owned by
> the United States government, and leased to the cattle rancher. If the govm't would
> sell all the land it owns, it could wipe out the national debt. Did you know that
>the
> U.S. govm't owns MORE LAND west of the Mississippi than there IS LAND east of that
> mighty river? Why should the govm't own all that land in the first place?
>
> > As the family farms go under, many of the farm people find themselves targeted by
> > white supremacist groups....
>
> If they are "going under," what are they being targeted for? Family farms are "going
> under" primarily because of govm't programs that encourage stupid economics, which
>has
> little to do with white supremacist groups, which don't know any economics.
>
> > Re: American Indian hunting practices. Native Americans were smart enough
> > to realize that it wasn't a good idea to exhaust the resources of the environment.
>
> They were also stupid enough not to realize the value of personal ownership of
>wealth,
> and the productive power of capitalism... After all, that's why they were living in
> tents and barely subsisting... "Hunters and gatherers" don't have any capital to
>carry
> them over in hard times (such as a bad hunting season). "Tribal mentality" is the
> same as "slave mentality," which isn't known to result in creation of wealth and
> prosperity.
>
> > The buffalo was the Native American equivalent to a supermarket... every part of
>the
> > animal was used by the plains people.. Waste not...want not...
>
> I think most of them "wanted" most of the time... Because they were non-producers,
> they suffered the same fate as so-called "over-populated" countries... ie being
> destitute most of the time.
>
> > We need to move towards a more humane and environmentally sound policy like
> > getting our protein needs from soy beans and grain...
>
> If God didn't want us to eat animals, He wouldn't have made them out of meat.
>
> > Plus, think about the needless destruction to our water supplies...
>
> There's about the same amount of water in the world as there has been for several
> centuries. All we can do with it is try to move it from place to place, and even
> then, it isn't usually very cooperative.
>
> > (and think about the people who have to slaughter the animals for a living, just so
> > you can have your supply of burgers....)....
>
> WoW! What a brilliant statement! In case you haven't learned this, those people
> aren't slaughtering animals "so I can have hamburgers." They don't give a damn if I
> EVER have a hamburger... They don't even know me... In my opinion, they are
> slaughtering animals so THEY can have what THEY want -- most of which costs money,
> which they earn by slaughtering animals.
>
> > Try a veggie burger..they're great!
>
> No thanks... I need to keep my cholesterol count high... the govm't says it should be
> low, and they lie about everything.
>
> Hawk
>
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