Samantha, I am glad to see that you have modulated your position as previously
presented here, and allow for alternative explanations. It is also good that you
question Streiber et al, because there is some question as to Streiber's affiliations
etc. These experiences could be real, or not, as regards REAL aliens. BUT it is
aknowledged by most people, here at least, that the military DOES DO such things. SO,
it would behoove us to look at the known first before we go off in search of less
mundane sources for these events. Would you agree?
As to your spiritual comments as circumstantial validity for TRUE alien encounters I
would direct you to look at the case that Vallee investigated, involving a Frenchman
supposedly abducted by aliens and missing for days. Sources in the French military
told him it was a fake abduction run by their military in order to study psychological
and psychosocial phenomenon. It was bogus. Now, as it relates to this spiritual
validity, one of the things the French were desirous to look into was the formation of
cults around supposed alien spiritual enlightenment. One of the people who knew the
abducted person later went on to start a cult based upon what was told him by the
abducted about the spiritual message of the "aliens". This was all bogus. What does
it show us? That the spiritual side can be manipulated, and in fact may be one of
several purposes for why the abduction phenomenon is carried out in the first place.
On Tue, 06 June 2000, "Samantha L." wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/5/00 9:43:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > Agreed. Their various accounts perhaps do point to contact with
> > extraterrestial
> > beings.
> >
> > But there could be other explanations as well, and we would be well served
> > to
> > constantly keep that in mind. What Strieber, Lucas, et al have experienced
> > could perhaps be what manipulators behind the scenes WISH them to believe
> > they
> > experienced.
> >
> > Smoke and mirrors. Don't concentrate on the magic trick on stage, look for
> > who's pulling the strings and pushing the buttons behind the curtain...
>
> And I am in agreement with you. It appears, especially in the case of
> Strieber, that if there are/were genuine ET contacts ocurring, they are/were
> being obscured by some type of military mind control experiences. Strieber,
> in his own words, is quite disturbed and perplexed by recent memories that
> bear this out.
>
> What makes me believe there are genuine ET contacts occurring (with or
> without black op intrusion as well) is the remarkable spiritual awakenings so
> many are having. As subjective is this is, I just don't believe that evil
> intentions can awaken deep spiritual truths.
>
> Mind you, I know that severe trauma can impel a spiritual path, but many of
> these alleged extra-dimensional/extra-terrestrials are seen by the
> experiencers themselves as the guiding forces behind the awakening. Strieber
> articulates this all so beautifully. Put simply, these asshole black
> operators just can't fake something at that depth because, by definition,
> they don't have a grasp of that depth to begin with. If they did, they would
> be prevented by that awareness from carrying on with their tasks.
>
> In addition to be moved by the sincerity of many of these accounts, as well
> as the internal consistency and the depth at which they are embedded in the
> consciousness of the experiencers, I don't give our government scientists
> credit enough to have created the crafts, the beams of light, etc., or even
> the technology to pretend that they have these things, even though I am aware
> that government technology is well in advance of what the public generally
> believes.
>
> I do believe that with another 30-50 years of development, the
> black-operators will have honed their "skills" to mimic such things more
> accurately. They will have also almost-perfected the mind control of
> children to a point where no genuine healing will ever have room to take
> place. But they're not there yet, and so we have a chance...
>
> There is a difference in depth between an mc experience and a spiritual one
> - the flavors and tones are distinct - though sometimes off only by a few
> degrees. And this is where, I believe, we must add intuition and common
> sense to our intellect in order to discern the subtleties involved.
>
> It's like Emerson said, "We know the truth when we see it, just as we know
> we are awake when we are awake." Admittedly, with all the mc technology
> available, the dividing lines are getting murkier, but they're not completely
> obscured yet, and we had damn well better make sure we stop these fiends
> before none of us can perceive the differences anymore.
>
> Strieber's rather tortured recent account is posted as a journal entry on
> his website: http://www.strieber.com/new-journal-03182000.html
>
> It doesn't appear as if he's sorted all of this out yet.
>
> Samantha
>
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