-Caveat Lector- Yes, Dale there is truth in what you say (below). But I think that one can come to conclusions. One does not reach a hopeless "who knows" impasse. One must look at the larger context & do some analysis. Certain parties have an obvious motive to mis-represent. (sellers of pharmaceuticals try to get doctors to use their drugs in preference to other modalities of treatment, for instance. Follow the money; qui bono, etc.) Also, how do authors argue - do they stick to issues or try to deflect attention from issues - by for instance moving into defamation of character/personal attack. (The way the mass media try - alas, so successfully - to neutralize the patriot/dissident movement.) also - is their logic/information clear or is it so "subtle' that it becomes almost metaphysical. (the truth vs the disinfo on economics and central banks is a good example here. Also medicine - chemical versus non- toxic/non-invasive modalities of treatment for degenerative illness. The truth is fairly straight-forward and has a clear logic to it; the dis-info is very very very abstruse & also punitively boring. One tends to conclude that one is "not smart enough" or educated enough and to abandon the field of inquiry and take the 'experts' word for it - which is of course the desired outcome from the pt of view of those promulgating info/policies, etc. not in the public interest). Looking at the mass media treatment of 9-11 vs what is available on the internet - one can see that the mainstream sources speak with one voice, with a unanimity that simply would not be there if we really had a 'free press'. That unanimity is very scary. The JFK assassination is another example showing clearly how highly controlled the media are. (Regardless of what one decises re who actually done it. So much info was suppressed.) Reading publications by the CFR, the Tri-lateral Commission and various UN bodies, and globalist spokesmen like Brezizinski and Kissinger also, if one knows how to de- code some of their carefully neutral language/code, one can see that they are talking not about what is inevitably going to come to pass in the future but what the globalists have decided to implement and present as 'inevitable' or 'necessary.' A good example is discussing how the US will move to being service-provider rather than a producer of goods. Yes - after they made their moves to pass NAFTA & GATT and move production to places where they can utilize an essentially slave labor force. They can speak with such prescience about the shape of things to come because those are their goals which they are taking steps to implement. Aso behind all the obfuscating rhetoric and red-herring highly emotional divisive issues such as gay rights and abortion, one can see that 'our' leaders are moving towards the same goals regardless of party and that many of these goals are not in the best interests of the people of this country... our declining standard of living, loss of populist government, loss of national sovereignty to the UN being examples; also all the immigration of (legal and illegal) non-nationals being a further one. (And no I am not 'racist,' but the way to curb exploding populations in the 3rd world is to stop ripping them off of the value of their resources & labor - raise the std of living in any country & the birthrate automatically declines - the globalists (ie mega corporations & banks in control of most governments today) know this full well but consciously chose to let the 3rd world populations explode & then dump the extra people/cheap labor on the industrialized nations - to the detriment of existing populations.) So one can come to some conclusions is my main point. One can also prioritize issues and decide which are the ones to focus on. Right now a biggie is our loss of freedoms/rights & loss of sovereignty to the UN. Gun control is desperately important - the globalists badly want a disarmed citizenry & if/when they get it the good-guy mask will be summarily dropped & the planned police state more fully emerge. Also it is very important to try to wake up more of the sleeping citizenry - we desperately need more who are awake & aware, as the country is being run by public opinion. What they can get the public to accept they summarily do. If the masses did not have power, at least potential power, all this effort at lying to & deceiving them would not be being made. Take away our weapons & we will be up the proverbial creeek w/out a paddle (I btw am not a 'gun person' do not own one, hardly know how to use one, do not like them, wish the world were not governed by force - but facts is facts.) (I am a vegan, partly for health reasons, partly because I believe like the Buddhists in the importance, morally, of treating non-human sentient beings as well as people as I want to be treated myself.)
Your thoughts in response would be appreciated... molli -Caveat Lector- > -----Original Message----- > From: Molli Wolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:11 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Jim Jones NOT CIA??? > > dear Dale - I have not read her book so I can't comment > on it at this point. I am sure you know that there is a > lot of dis-information out to confuse issues Very true. > I like books > that provide lots of documentation & Meier's book does > that. Same here, the more the better. Unfortunately one-sided views can be just as well-documented as balanced views. Both are useful if one keeps an open mind. A few years ago I finally understood I would find opposing viewpoints, equally convincing, on both sides of any particular issue. At that point it was up to me to decide, or choose to remain undecided (open). At that point I began to review with caution research which chose the viewpoint first and then filtered the documentation to fit that viewpoint. The JFK books are good examples of this. Perhaps because of the emotional nature of that event, not a single book that I have seen is balanced; they all have to "solve" the murder. And round and round it goes. <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ============================================================ ============ Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html <A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archi ves of [EMAIL PROTECTED]</A> http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ <A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl</ A> ============================================================ ============ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ======================================================================== Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html <A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]</A> http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ <A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl</A> ======================================================================== To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om