-Caveat Lector- I dispute the word "christian" in this so-called history, and request that the word "catholic" be used instead. --- "Don S. Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > Well, I appreciate the compliment. I have spent a > lot of time and money in > researching this field. I am however a part of no > movement expect to try and > eliviate ignorance and help people seperate from > their superstitions whenever > I can. > When we talk about this, "here is a big > academic religious movement bent on saying that > nothing in Jewish or > Christian history can be accepted with certainty. " > > Please remember that the historical study of the > bible is only a couple of > hundred years old. It was punishable by death, > torture, banishment and a > host of other nasties to even question Christian (or > Judaic) dogma. That is > why the meme of Christianity is so heavy with us > still. We are fortunate to > live in a time when so many archeological data and > historical documents have > been found and translated. For instance the Nag > Hamadi library with early > Christian writings that share a lot of common > threads, but no historical > Jesus. > When we talk of a trend, I see it more as the > natural evolutionary response > from free thinking individuals to investigate and > refute these age old myths. > To be able to use logic and reason in attempting to > piece together this > Judeo/Christian history. > I refer again to the amount of significant data > recovered over the past 100 > years that leads to a more realistic accounting of > these times rather than > simply accepting the, "you must believe because it > is written" rhetoric. > Remember, that brain washing begins in the crib. Of > course there are > religious conversions, but most people are a product > of their spiritual > upbringing. What I mean is that if you are from the > Punjab, you are probably > going to be Hindu. If you are from Tel Aviv, Jewish > and from Birmingham, > Alabama a Baptist or some such denomination. Of > course these are > generalities, but the gist is that parents start > that process of belief in > their offspring. > I think that you presume to much in thinking that > free thinking people are > only exercising their options in regard to > historical study in order to > establish a new world order of secular zombie's or > whatever. > > > n a message dated 4/22/02 3:55:31 AM !!!First > Boot!!!, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > Hammurabi did a nice academic presentation of what > some academics know about > > that part of history. Those who read here should > know that there is a big > > academic religious movement bent on saying that > nothing in Jewish or > > Christian history can be accepted with certainty. > No Jesus, no apostles, no > > Abraham, no King David, no Exodus, no Moses, etc. > There is no indication > > that Hammurabi is part of that movement, but he > may be influenced by it. > > Why > > the trend? Well, if we are to move into one world > religion, people must be > > convinced that humans all have some sort of good > sweet center, kind of like > > a Fannie Mae chocolate, that has come out in every > religious group to form > > the core of their beliefs. If we could just > discard all of the outside > > shells, all of the sweet centers will come > together to form a single candy > > that everyone can nibble from. > > > > As to: > > <That the core of Christianity should be belief in a > person makes it > difficult. I don't believe in Christianity, but I > also don't think the > movement would have come together without a focal > point.> > > This is a weak argument. I like the quote from one > of the Coral Ridge > Ministry bigwigs that said the grand canyon was not > made by a Hopi Indian > dragging a stick and something as large as > Christianity was not built on a > myth. > Well, he was wrong. > There have been many cults that were powerful and > far reaching that were > based on religious texts and nothing more. Take > Greek mythology for > instance. Take Paganism. Take basicaly any > religion and you must use the > same criteria on them. People believe. People have > holy text's. Therefore > there must be historical God Men/Women at the core > of their beliefs. > In studying the history of Christianity, one must > study it. Simple statement > made here about Christianity must have had a focal > point and that focal point > was a living, breathing, tried, convicted, crucified > and reborn Jesus is not > an educated statement. > The history of Christianity is a metamorphasising > one sprung from Jewish > cults and was a product of the times and events that > transpired in Judah > during the period of bout 200BCE (maybe further) to > the canonization of > text's by Constantine in the 4th century. From the > advent of Greek influence > with the invasion of Alexander in 330CE (or there > abouts) to the Orient to > the partial destruction of Judah in 70Ce and then > total destruction in 135Ce > by the Romans and onwards to the gathering of > miscellaneous letters from > religious communities (pauls epistles) and the > writing of the Gospels from > 100CE onward. There was a period in time that > Paganism almost won out and we > would be worshipping Mithra right now. These texts > were not heavenly > ordained, they were the product of men and women > responding to their beliefs > and the political and theological events of their > time. > > And to this: > > <We should look carefully at the promotion of > Judaism without Torah historical > figures and Christianity without Jesus.> > > Well, I agree absolutely. Look to what the people > said. Who said it. Who > wrote it. What audience was it said or written to. > WHEN was it written? > This is perhaps the biggest question in regard to > scripture. What was the > political, theological and historical context that > it was written or said in. > What is the status of the documents, texts or > scriptures in regard to > authenticity in regard to era that it was supposed > to be written and the > material of the document itself and the inks used. > There are many > consideration and that is the point. Simply taking > scripture and using it to > base ones beliefs is shallow and easy. When serious > questions are raised > though the cry goes out, beware! What evil lurks at > the heart of these > inquiries? Fortunately we live in a time where we > can question and use > reason to sort these things out and damn the > damnation to hell (if it existed > : ) ). > db > > >
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