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> Hello,
> Sorry for chiming in here, but a couple of points.  One, this is a very
nice
> sentiment that Jesus was a groovy, hip, make love not war kind of guy that
> became misrepresented.  I like that.  However, point 2 is that he is and
has
> always been a myth.

well, sorry to cut your post off like this, but i dunno about that. i'm no
theist, and i certainly wouldn't call myself a christian, but can it not be
proven that jesus was a real person that existed [through roman tax
records]? i'm not referring to the census given as an excuse for him being
born in bethlehem instead of nazareth; i'm quite certain that this
information is out there from some tax record when he was a young adult. the
fact that i can't seem to locate a source is not helping me. anybody know
what the hell i'm talking about?

of course, it could always be argued that they were forged.

i look at jesus more as a....well....a daniel boone type character, where
stories are created around the person due to awe and admiration. who knows,
if we ever go through a nuclear war then maybe when the people emerge
they'll stumble upon data [electronic or, maybe, from a half destroyed
library] describing george washington as a super human that can throw a rock
across potomac bay, and, thus, assume him to be myth. but, we all know him
to have existed.

i *am* definately suspicious, and i take very little of what is in either
testament at face value......but i don't see how you can flat out declare
his existence to be a myth. i mean, how many sources are there *really* that
prove that....i dunno....ramses II existed? alexander the great? that the
pelopponesian war happened? maybe one or two or three at most. yet we take
this as historical fact, even though it's probably quite embellished. the
scriptures may not be a good source of real historical happenings, but
they're good enough to prove that the guy actually lived as far as i'm
concerned....

inri
np:

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