-Caveat Lector- Of all the alleged historical errors in the Gospels, which would you say is the most serious? POC
On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Don S. Brown wrote: > Hello, > Sorry for chiming in here, but a couple of points. One, this is a very nice > sentiment that Jesus was a groovy, hip, make love not war kind of guy that > became misrepresented. I like that. However, point 2 is that he is and has > always been a myth. > I am reacting to all of the pontificating as to what Jesus was, said, did and > how and why he was crucified. > It never happened. I read in a post that the reference to paying taxes to > the Romans were added after the original gospels. The original gospels were > not begun till the 2nd century and they were written as teaching tools for > certain communities of Jews that presented lessons from the torah that were > not threatening to the Romans. > On a conspiracy list I am truly surprised by the amount of post's that I read > from the point of view that any of this Judeo/Christian history is > representative of real people and events. > Also a little understanding of Roman history and legal procedures is in > order. The events of the trial and crucifixion of Jesus is nothing more than > a fabrication of events that allowed "Jesus" to achieve this resurrected > status. > The local establishment would not have heard a case at night from a mob of > Jews, whom the Romans despised, and allowed the unruly proceedings to go > forward with chants and accusations by the Jews in the courtroom. That would > not happen. He would have cooled his heels in the local gray bar until the > matter could be heard in an orderly fashion. Also, the claiming of being the > messiah was quite in vogue so this claim of being the "king of the Jews" > would not have been too impressive from the point of view of the local > magistrate. > Now, when we look to validation of Jesus's existence as a physical person, > one will find a complete lack of contemporary texts or documents that concur, > support or even misrepresent Jesus and his words and deeds from this time > period. > I will gladly try to field challenges to this claim. Please do not start with > the two entries in the Works Of Josephus as they are blatant interpolations. > And in fact, Josephus is one of the strongest testaments to the lack of a > historical Jesus is his complete and utter ignorance of the man and his > deeds. This is why the two interjected paragraphs are so obviously added > later. > The only validation comes from the bible itself. > Paul wrote the letters of Romans, Corinthians, Galations and Ephesians > starting from around 50CE and wrote till about 90CE. Acts was written long, > long after and is presented before the epistles to obfuscate by embellishing > on Paul with information that he does not present in his epistles. Paul > seems totally unconcerned with Jesus and his life and ministry. He never > teaches using Jesus on earth examples of his lessons. No, "Well Corinthians, > when I went to the mount where he was crucified" or, "Well, as Jesus preached > in the sermon on the mount..." He seems to be either ignorant of his life, > family, ministry miracles and gospels, or somehow while trying to bring these > groups of peoples into the folds of Christianity, he just doesn't think it is > relevant. > This is the argument from silence and it is a powerful one. A man who was > sought out by Kings to confer with and did miracles on a daily basis, no one > seems to know about him. None of the contemporary historians, miscellaneous > documents, deeds, court records, Roman protectorate correspondence, nada. > The transformation of a spiritual Jesus to an historic man took place over > time and was the joining of many different perceptions of Christianity. The > new testament did not drop out of the sky. It was the result of a process > that occurred over time and with much debate and deceit. There was forgery > of texts, documents and letters to support the historical Jesus legend in an > attempt to be superior to Paganism by having a real live man turned God that > was on earth instead of some wimpy Dionysus. > The church fathers in the 3rd century took myth and midrash, a few letters > and "gospels" and brought them together, under Constantine, and formed what > we know as Christianity. > db > > > > > <...they would if they could convince them that the same individual was > also somehow a threat to the state, which is exactly what the sanhedrin did > simply because he happened to refer to himself as the "king of the jews" > from time to time. > > > now, it's true that the popular view of the messiah at the time was that he > > was going to be a warrior king, and it's true that the romans didn't like > > large groups of people crowding around "revolutionaries"; but....jesus was > > neither a potential warrior king nor a revolutionary. he was just a crazy > > hippie pushing brotherly love and not a real threat to rome at all. i've > > never seen any evidence stating that the romans really even took jesus > > seriously; pilate certainly had nothing against him. it wasn't for years > > after that all of a sudden christianity emerged as a problem for the romans > > after all. > > > > *shrug*. > > > > > <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. 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