On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 5:40 PM juan <juan....@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 23:25:35 +0000 > Sean Lynch <se...@literati.org> wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:20 PM juan <juan....@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, do whatever you need to do so that the wife doesn't > > > kick you out 'her' house > > > > > > > I find it amusing that you think this would insult a normal person. > > I'm glad you are amused =) > > And what does 'normal' mean? It simply means to go along with > whatever stupidity and/or attrocities are fashionable at the > time. Normal == average. > > Well "normal" in this case is being in a relatioship where you're on equal terms with your partner (hence the term "partner") and thus aren't concerned about accusations of being subservient. Some people prefer different arrangements, which is fine, and as long as they feel seucre about the arrangement they have, they also wouldn't be insulted by such accusations. Hence "normal." "Abnormal" would be defining one's self-worth based on their ability to exercise power over some other group and never being subservient to a member of that group.
Of course, for most of humanity's existence the latter was actually "normal." but for 99.999% of that period we'd be facing off in person over such a claim and one of us would beat down the other, thus "proving" who was in fact more masculine and thus capable of violence. Which made sense in a world where what mainly mattered, at least for men, was how much violence you could produce. Seems to me that cypherpunks is not really about maintaining a world where might makes right, though. > > So yeah, tor is a great tool for freedom and appelbaum is a > rapist. And you who don't believe in 'conspiracy theories' get > your data from mob hearsay. > > The "mob" is just whoever's on the side you disagree with. You want to portray them as unthinking, just going with the crowd. But what are you doing? Jake is a hero to you, and a fellow man, and you already believed Tor wasn't to be trusted, so no thought is even necessary. He's "obviously" innocent and the victim of a smear campaign. But name a public rape accusation that hasn't instantly had multiple smear campaigns spin up against the *accusers*. That's happening here, not just against his direct accusers, but against the people who believe his accusers, and the people who believe the people who believe his accusers. People who had barely even heard of Shari Steele before are saying the nastiest things about her. I'm getting accused of "licking my wife's boots." There are clear and obvious smear campaigns going on here, and not a lot of rational thought. I'm inclined to just discount "the usual suspects" whom the MRA label fits like a glove, and to believe people who had to write public announcements that were clearly very difficult for them and put their reputations on the line and shake up an important project. You talk about not needing enemies with "libertarians like me", but you obviously "need" enemies because you see them around every single corner. You have considered Tor an enemy from the start, and now you're ready to write off the CDC, CCC, Debian, Shari Steele and probably the EFF in one fell swoop. Which would be easier, orchestrating a smear campaign with multiple false accusations of rape and sexual misconduct against a well-respected member of a major software project, or to take advantage of such an opportunity when it arose to cause a bunch of people to distrust a bunch of critical freedom-oriented organizations? But really, I suspect the only thing the TLAs need for this particular battle is a large supply of popcorn. But given that I expect a lot more projects and organizations will be starting to purge their own Appelbaums and/or encouraging them to start treating women and everyone else like human beings. Speaking of "everyone else", I note you call Chelsea Manning "he", presumably because doing the opposite of what the "PC crowd" wants you to do is more important to you than civility, even (perhaps especially) to people who have suffered from discrimination all their lives. WIth "libertarians" like you, it's no surprise that few people who care in the slightest about anyone who's not exactly like them is willing to identify themselves as "libertarian." Because your "liiberty" is not "free to be you and me," it's just "free to be me." You want the freedom but not the responsibility to think about the consequences of your actions for others. No wonder you're such an Appelbaum fan: he's exactly what you aspire to be.
