I can understand how you'd be defensive since you recommended them to
the list, but this has nothing to do with sentiment and everything to do
with empirical observation of specific results.  I'm sorry you feel the
way you do, but don't bandy about words like 'slander' when clearly they
don't belong in the conversation.

The following servers are trusted by Trustic.  I only used tested this
service for about 1 1/2 hours so I have a pretty short list (90 entries,
47 of which were slammed in via their automated positive procedure).  If
I had the time to waste I'd go thru the whole list and I'm sure I'd find
more jewels.  I pulled these out of just the first two screens:

63.149.203.45 
     5 automated positive recommendations and a trusted server.  
     But here they're listed on THIRTEEN separate lines
     http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=63.149.203.45     

pd9eb978c.dip.t-dialin.net (217.235.151.140) 
     http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=217.235.151.140
     Dial-in, huh?  Quite a list on the other spam services.  
     Trustic lists them as trusted.

user-0can757.cable.mindspring.com (24.171.156.167) 
     another home cable modem listed like crazy but trusted at trustic
     http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=24.171.156.167

61.99.1.113
     same story here
     http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=61.99.1.113

pcp03063004pcs.newlaf01.mi.comcast.net ( 68.41.175.131 )
     home dsl cable IP

pcp515079pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net ( 68.53.145.237 )
     home dsl cable IP

d.hm02.com ( 207.158.1.214 ) 
     4 positive *automated* entries, but listed in SpamCop and sent me
spam

mm12.metamailoffers.com ( 207.134.3.243 ) 
     read the domain name.  Wonder what they do.  
     They also have two automated favorable positives 

user-0can757.cable.mindspring.com ( 24.171.156.167 )
     another home dsl service with an automated positive and trusted
status.

mtiwmhc14.worldnet.att.net ( 204.127.131.114 ) 
     This one sent me 3 spams directly today.  Then a 4th came thru
relayed by 
     another server thru this one.  Trustic's system gives only the last
IP a 
     minus rating and all previous ones a positive, so *I* gave it an
automatic 
     positive the fourth time it spammed me.

What does it all mean?  First of all I don't care how smart the guy is
who founded this system.  Trustic as it presently performs doesn't
belong in my production environment, which the Trustic people are up
front about, at least (betas after all should be used only in
development and staging environments).  From what I can see the system
should be labeled more of a public alpha, rather than a beta.  It has
holes which you can drive a mail truck through.

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