I have been reading all the posts about TRUSTIC. I really dont want to say ,its bad or good , because this not the right time to make comments about.
It's a new service , the database should get bigger in time ,the site must be popular and be used by a big number of server admin and then WE CAN SEE HOW IT WORKS. There are always some bugs , some tricks to abuse the site ETC..... What i can suggest is that , people interested in this service can flag mails in the header to see the evolution of the service, we should consider the qualtiy in time. Today we get 100 False P. Tommorow we can get 50 F.P or 150 F.P Lets wait and see :) Regards Rifat Levis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Levitsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 2:58 AM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] New spamcop style RBL.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 7:14 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] New spamcop style RBL.. > 63.149.203.45 > 5 automated positive recommendations and a trusted server. > But here they're listed on THIRTEEN separate lines > http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=63.149.203.45 http://www.trustic.com/ip?ip=63.149.203.45+ You were one of the positives and you didn't bother to submit spam to make it not trusted. > pd9eb978c.dip.t-dialin.net (217.235.151.140) > http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=217.235.151.140 > Dial-in, huh? Quite a list on the other spam services. > Trustic lists them as trusted. http://www.trustic.com/ip?ip=217.235.151.140 Again you never bothered to forward spam to them. What's your point exactly about the IP being on other lists? That has nothing to do with this list. If every entry was on every list then you could use a single blacklist, and that's it. Why do you use more than one blacklist??? I know I use them because each has different things to offer and I weight tests based on what each RBL can provide me with. > user-0can757.cable.mindspring.com (24.171.156.167) > another home cable modem listed like crazy but trusted at trustic > http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=24.171.156.167 http://www.trustic.com/ip?ip=24.171.156.167 Here there was 1 default positive and 1 spam mail that you submitted. Should they mark this a spammer simply because 1 email says a good thing and 1 email says a bad thing? That would hardly seem fair. Would you want people not to get mail from you because the Trustic list had 1 record of good mail a 1 record of bad mail for your server? > 61.99.1.113 > same story here > http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=61.99.1.113 http://www.trustic.com/ip?ip=61.99.1.113 Again you never bothered to submit a spam report. How can you complain without bothering to report spam? > pcp03063004pcs.newlaf01.mi.comcast.net ( 68.41.175.131 ) > home dsl cable IP http://www.trustic.com/ip?ip=68.41.175.131 Again you never bothered to submit a spam report. How can you complain? > pcp515079pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net ( 68.53.145.237 ) > home dsl cable IP http://www.trustic.com/ip?ip=68.53.145.237 This is another where there is one spam (from you) and one positive from another person. Not sure why they would block a host on only that data so of course it is trusted. > d.hm02.com ( 207.158.1.214 ) > 4 positive *automated* entries, but listed in SpamCop and sent me > spam http://www.trustic.com/ip?ip=207.158.1.214 Here there are 4 positives and 2 negatives. Why wouldn't this be trusted? > mm12.metamailoffers.com ( 207.134.3.243 ) > read the domain name. Wonder what they do. > They also have two automated favorable positives http://www.trustic.com/ip?ip=207.134.3.243 2 positives to your 1 negative. > What does it all mean? First of all I don't care how smart the guy is > who founded this system. Trustic as it presently performs doesn't > belong in my production environment, which the Trustic people are up > front about, at least (betas after all should be used only in > development and staging environments). From what I can see the system > should be labeled more of a public alpha, rather than a beta. It has > holes which you can drive a mail truck through. More like you don't really understand how a trust system should work. This isn't meant to use blacklists from other people. This is meant to be a circle of trust. If people get mail and never bother to submit spam then the hosts that send the mail are trusted. You didn't bother to submit spam to some of the very hosts you are complaining are trusted. I'm not trying to make this an argument. I'm really just trying to offer counter points to what I feel is flawed logic. I am going to stop now as I don't want this to be a war. If anyone needs any help using Trustic feel free to contact me off-list. I encourage any of you that try it to submit feedback on the site one way or the other. I'm sure they will take all feedback in to consideration during the beta period. I would encourage anyone that has read this far to look at the following untrusted servers to see how it will work when people actually submit spam to the system... http://www.trustic.com/ip/61.159.235.36 http://www.trustic.com/ip/4.46.141.148 http://www.trustic.com/ip/12.212.51.189 http://www.trustic.com/ip/66.138.22.121 http://www.trustic.com/ip/12.98.2.128 The last one should be of particular interest. See I have a 0.41 trust level now so with my single negative report the server is blacklisted, but that is because there are -no- positive entries for the server. Basically when you participate then your input is weighted more heavily. -Josh --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". 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