How about if the message has failed in the .hdr file declude just ignores the 
file to let SmarterMail process it as it see fit??? 


Kevin Bilbee

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> David Barker
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:26 PM
> To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 4.2 build 20 Released 6 July 2006
> 
> Not sure who you spoke to at SmarterTools but I do NOT believe this is
> true.
> 
> 
> Declude will not pick up a message until it is completed writing both
> the .hdr and .eml files, that is the reason why SmarterMail while
> writing the header will have the .eml file as .em_ (while writing) so
> that when the .hdr is complete ie. Written then and only then will
> Declude pick up the file to process it. Also you will see clearly, that
> the SM logs indicate a problem long before we receive the message.
> 
> This was a new problem introduced by SmarterMail - 4.2.20 provided a
> fix for this. Again coming back to a previous post I made talking about
> the effects of the Mail server on Declude. The question always comes
> back to who should provide the fix, in this case we did as it was
> causing messages not being scanned by Declude for spam.
> 
> I am trying to get a better understanding to the problem from SM and as
> soon as I have some answers from them I will post to the lists.
> 
> David B
> www.declude.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Gary Steiner
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 3:13 PM
> To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 4.2 build 20 Released 6 July 2006
> 
> Here is SmarterTools take on the problem:
> 
> > Failed is written to the .hdr if the message was not succesfully
> > recieved via SMTP. For instance, if the connection is closed mid
> > transmission. These(and corresponding .emls) are normally just
> deleted
> > by SmarterMail. The only reason you are noticing them is because of
> Declude storing them in the error folder.
> 
> The implication is that Declude is interrupting part of SmarterMail's
> normail process.  Now I know this is essentially what Declude does
> anyway, but shouldn't Declude know the difference between a message
> that has finished SMTP and SmarterMail is ready to deliver, and a
> message that is incomplete in the SMTP process and an SMTP retry is
> occurring so this failed message should be ignored?  Otherwise we are
> going to get thousands of unneccessary incomplete messages dumped into
> the error folder that is going to do nothing other than to take up disk
> space.  Not to mention that if some other type of error occurs that
> puts a message in the error folder, we'll never find it because its
> buried under all these other superfluous messages.
> Before 4.2.20, this wasn't a problem.
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> > From: "David Barker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 3:24 PM
> > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
> > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 4.2 build 20 Released 6 July 2006
> >
> > Gary,
> >
> > This is a SmarterMail issue. When they fail to complete the .hdr file
> > they write "Failed" in the .hdr as this was causing major spam
> leakage
> > for declude we decided to move  incomplete messages to the \error
> > folder. You could try changing the "Failed" to Written and drop the
> > messages in the \spool.
> >
> > David B
> > www.declude.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > Gary Steiner
> > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:52 PM
> > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
> > Subject: re: [Declude.JunkMail] 4.2 build 20 Released 6 July 2006
> >
> > Now that I've installed 4.2.20, I'm getting a lot of messages in the
> > error folder (I'm running SmarterMail 3.3.2369).  Most of them seem
> to
> > be spam, but there are some good messages in there.  Am I now going
> to
> > have to scan this folder for false positives just like the held spam
> folder?
> >
> > Here is an example of the .hdr file for a message that was good:
> >
> > Failed
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > cmdspc: false
> > helo: ivmail1.fcc.es
> >
> > What does "Failed" mean?  Is there something I can look for in the
> > headers of the message (in the .eml file) that would indicate this?
> > Is there any way to requeue this message?
> >
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > > From: "David Barker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 11:01 AM
> > > To: Declude.Virus@declude.com>, <Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
> > > Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] 4.2 build 20 Released 6 July 2006
> > >
> > > EVA       ADD     New NONSTANDARDHDR vulnerability test. Messages
> found to
> > > have broken headers are moved to the \virus folder
> > >
> > > EVA       FIX     ALLOWVULNERABILITIESFROM (for user)
> > >
> > > EVA       FIX     BANEXT buffer overflow
> > >
> > > SM        ADD     When an error is found in the envelope (.hdr) file
> the
> > > message is moved to the \error folder
> > >
> > > SM        ADD     Decludeproc will not start without a valid
> domainlist.xml
> > >
> > > SM        FIX     QUEUEFILE_SAVEFILE the log is showing the correct
> directory
> > > path
> > >
> > > SM        FIX     Allows admin to set VIRDIR to any directory path in
> the
> > > virus.cfg
> > >
> > > David Barker
> > > Product Manager
> > > Your Email security is our businessT
> > > 978.499.2933 office
> > > 978.988.1311 fax
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
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