Kevin, It would probably help for you to take a course or read a book on business accounting. There are cost centers, and revenue-generating centers. Sometimes it may be a judgement call as to where one item goes, as in spam filtering, but it is the business's call as to how they structure their pricing model, what is considered revenue-generating, and what is considered a cost. External parties have no business deciding what should be considered revenue-generating for any given business.
Also, I think everyone is missing the point Matt has made several times of how do you decide how much revenue should be attributed to spam/virus filtering. How do you attach a value to it's contribution to keeping customers or obtaining new customers? Or a relative value of the service against other services like base email hosting, web hosting, traffic reports, control panels, database hosting, media hosting, tech support, maintenance, etc. Again, it's a judgement call. And since most businesses have different mixes of costs, pricing models, etc. it would take looking at each business individually to come up with some sort of revenue-sharing model. One size would most definitely not fit all. In short, while this idea may be "creative", it's not the least bit practical. Revenue-sharing should be a misnomer, and pricing should be by server, domain, or account/alias. For a pricing model to be successful, subjectivity needs to be removed so that the factors determining it can be easily quantified. Darin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bilbee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <declude.junkmail@declude.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:54 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 No they do not impose a revenue sharing model, but toilet paper is still a consumable that indirectly makes restaurants money by keeping its customers happy. When it is there no one notices, when it is not customers definitely know and are put off. My comments are not about the revenue sharing but that email is a lost leader for an ISP. Lost leaders simply make business money by keeping the customers happy purchasing other higher margin products. Otherwise there would be no reason to sell a service for less than it costs to maintain. Kevin Bilbee > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Glenn \ WCNet > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:01 PM > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > I think one thing that happened here is that the announcement regarding > ComTouch didn't make it *clear* that it is an *optional* part of > Declude. > MY initial impression was that *any* Service Provider who uses the > version of Declude that incomes ComTouch would be required to > participate in the licensing of it, by whatever scheme fit the bill. > Now that I understand it's optional, fine, I don't have to use that > part. > > The toilet paper manufacturer does not impose a per-customer usage fee > or take a direct percentage of the restaurant's > daily/weekly/monthly/quarterly/yearly sales. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Bilbee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <declude.junkmail@declude.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:33 PM > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > > Then I just do not get it. If revenue would not be lost without it and > it > costs you money to provide then what is the business case for providing > the > service? > > Last I checked business, are in business to make money on capital > investments/expenditures. Not spend money for things that do not make > money. > > An analogy: Does a restaurant make revenue from toilet paper? > > > Kevin Bilbee > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > Matt Robertson > > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:57 PM > > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > > Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > > > On 7/19/06, Kevin Bilbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > So then indirectly it does generate revenue. Because without it > > > revenue would be lost. > > > > Hardly. Carry that argument out to prove how wrong it is. By virtue > > of the fact that they allow me to be in business in the first place I > > can expect a knock on the door from Microsoft since they make the > > server o/s... and Dell since they make the servers. So just being a > > part of the show lets the pig belly up to the trough. > > > > Not in this universe. > > > > -- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Janitor, MSB Web Systems > > mysecretbase.com > > > > > > --- > > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > > at http://www.mail-archive.com. > > > > > > > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > at http://www.mail-archive.com. > > > > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. 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