Frank, I think we should use the same font settings in Thunderbird as the settings used in Linux. So I suggest we don't change these font settings in Thunderbird.
Do you agree? Brian On 08/18/08 12:51, Jedy Wang wrote: > Hi Frank, > > Then what about thunderbird. Do we still want to use: > Proportional: Serif 11pt > Monospace: Deja Vu Sans Mono 10 pt > for it? > > CCed Brian Lu cause he is the maintainer of thunberbird. > > Regards, > > Jedy > On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 10:03 -0700, Frank Ludolph wrote: > >> After a little further investigation I will agree with the change Ginn >> suggests. When I set the default size to 16 in both Windows and >> OpenSolaris they appeared to render the same pages at about the same >> size. I believe that when I orginially did the evaluation I had >> changed the default minimum size in my Windows Firefox and so the >> comparison was invalid. I was, in fact, indirectly trying to address >> Ginn's concern about rendering. >> >> I am using Windows and, to a lesser extent, Mac as visual guidelines >> to determine the default font settings for OpenSolaris. The reason for >> this is that many users will use OpenSolaris within Virtual Box on >> those systems and it is more comfortable for users if fonts and icons >> appear to be closely matched in size when switching between the two. >> It will also seem more "correct" for users who use multiple computers >> with a variety of systems. >> >> For those who may be wondering, I did check that both systems were set >> for rendering at the same pixel resolutions, both dpi and overall >> screen resolution. Many LCD/laptop users whose systems are set to >> 96dpi may find the font sizes a bit small (both Windows and >> OpenSolaris) due to the higher dpi of laptop and some LCD displays. >> They might want to adjust the dpi to about 120. >> >> So Calum, can we adjust the UI Guidelines for FireFox default to 16pt? >> >> Thanks everyone, >> >> Frank >> >> >> Ginn Chen wrote: >> >>> Hi Frank, >>> >>> >>> In OpenSolaris 2008.11 UI spec, it defines Firefox default font as >>> "Deja Vu Serif: 14pt". >>> I don't think we should do that. >>> Because IE, Safari, Firefox all use 16pt as default, so web >>> developers would test their pages with this setting. >>> If we use a smaller font, it may break the layout of some pages. >>> Yes, it's the fault of the web developers, they should specify the >>> font size to make sure it won't happen. >>> But the reality is not all the web developers would test their pages >>> with different settings. >>> So I think we'd better keep align with others. >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> Ginn >>> >>> >>> On Aug 12, 2008, at 4:00 PM, Frank Ludolph wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hi Jedy, >>>> >>>> I'll reply since I was the one that suggested the sizes... >>>> >>>> Be sure to distinguish the system font sizes (8 pt) from the font >>>> sizes for Thunderbird and Firefox. The latter are larger. What are >>>> you using to read emails. >>>> >>>> I agree that the sizes sound quite small, but the default GNOME >>>> default fonts look very, very large compared to the defaults on >>>> Windows and Mac. The sizes shown in the UI spec provide >>>> approximately the same appearance as those desktops. To arrive at >>>> them I ran 2008.05 under virtualbox on Windows XP in an alternate >>>> workspace and switched between Windows and OpenSolaris workspaces. >>>> To test the system fonts I used preferences panels, menus, file >>>> manager windows, etc. As a cross check I set the same sizes on a >>>> bare metal install on a laptop. >>>> >>>> This applies of course to roman character sets. Asian fonts may >>>> require something else? >>>> >>>> The same techniques were used to set the icon sizes. >>>> >>>> BTW, my eyesight is now quite poor. I find the suggested sizes to >>>> be legible though occasionally a size too small for my old eyes. >>>> >>>> Frank >>>> >>>> >>>> Jedy Wang wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Calum, >>>>> >>>>> Are you really sure that default font size for GNOME is 8 pt? This size >>>>> is really small and make it very hard to read mails. >>>>> >>>>> Developers of firefox also think 14/12 is too small for the browser. And >>>>> according to their feedback, most browsers use 16. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Jedy >>>>> On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 17:41 +0100, Calum Benson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Since we didn't quite get around to implementing the UI spec for >>>>>> 2008.05, we've recently been tweaking it a bit for 2008.11 (and have >>>>>> actually assigned people to make it happen this time...) >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://opensolaris.org/os/community/desktop/uispecs/indiana-uispec/> >>>>>> >>>>>> Comments welcome... it hasn't really changed too much since what we'd >>>>>> planned for 2008.05, bar a bit more panel reshuffling (to try and >>>>>> achieve a functional split of "actions and status" on top and "windows >>>>>> and workspaces" on the bottom), and some minor changes to accommodate >>>>>> upstream changes in GNOME 2.24. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheeri, >>>>>> Calum. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> desktop-discuss mailing list >>>>> desktop-discuss at opensolaris.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> indiana-discuss mailing list >>>> indiana-discuss at opensolaris.org >>>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss >>>> >>> -------- >>> Ginn Chen >>> Software Engineer, Browser Team >>> Sun Microsystems, Inc. >>> Phone: x82869 / +86-10-62673869 >>> Fax: +86-10-62780969 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> indiana-discuss mailing list >>> indiana-discuss at opensolaris.org >>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> indiana-discuss mailing list >> indiana-discuss at opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/indiana-discuss >> > > _______________________________________________ > desktop-discuss mailing list > desktop-discuss at opensolaris.org > -- Best regards Brian Lu (Boying Lu) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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