Well I think the idea is less to push the airflow community to start answering questions on stackoverflow, and more to tie stackoverflow into our slack conversations so that once we come to a solution we can write up an answer that is searchable in the future. The main problem with people asking questions on slack is that once a question is answered it is lost in the ether forever
via Newton Mail [https://cloudmagic.com/k/d/mailapp?ct=dx&cv=10.0.51&pv=10.15.7&source=email_footer_2] On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 1:51 PM, Halo Ku <hal...@mail.com> wrote: That's all good but don't forget that stackoverflow is "economay based community" people help mainly to raise thier reputation . Taking a quick look over the airflow tags most of the questions comes from new users and most answers don't get votes up nor marked acceptaed (even if true) people simply don't have motivation to answer there on the airflow tag. If you want this to change - people must start giving votes up. Take 5 min of your day to read some questions with answers and vote quality questions and quality answers. Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 7:54 PM From: "Daniel Imberman" <daniel.imber...@gmail.com> To: dev@airflow.apache.org Subject: Re: Stack Overflow as valuable source of information about Airflow ? I could see us creating a slack bot that responds to every root message on each channel with the following message: “Hello and welcome to the <name channel> channel! If you are looking for airflow help, please create a stackoverflow issue iwth the following tags '[apache-airflow]’ and add it to your message. This will make it easier for us to create a persistent repository of airflow knowledge going forward! If this is not a airflow usage question please press the following button [button] “ Or we could create a bot that takes any root message and offers the option of converting that message into a SO post. Any thoughts? On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 2:48 PM, Tomasz Urbaszek <turbas...@apache.org> wrote: My only concern about connecting SO to Slack is that it may impact the history of slack (free tier, here we go again). However, I think it's worth it if we will promote SO for Q&A and Discussions for discussion (and slack for chat). Tomek On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 11:40 PM Leah Cole <colel...@google.com.invalid> wrote: Jarek I'm glad you suggested connecting it to a slack channel - I think that automating the integration into we currently have will be crucial to gaining adoption. My only nit would be to spell out #stackoverflow-questions in the channel name just so that it's immediately obvious what it is at first glance. On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 12:10 PM Ry Walker < r...@rywalker.com [r...@rywalker.com] > wrote: i like all those ideas, Jarek On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 2:39 PM Jarek Potiuk < jarek.pot...@polidea.com [jarek.pot...@polidea.com] > wrote: I read the docs (thanks Martijn!). Looks like SO would be great if we use more of it. We are promoting it very lightly, though. At our https://airflow.apache.org/community/ [https://airflow.apache.org/community/] page we have "Stack Overflow" lin kas one of the options (which is good, according to those SO guidelines). But I think we have one place which could be improved: I think we could do a few things to utilize it a bit more: 1) Change links on the "new issue" page. When we run "new issue" we see: https://github.com/apache/airflow/issues/new/choose [https://github.com/apache/airflow/issues/new/choose] - "Ask a question of get support leads to the https://github.com/apache/airflow/discussions [https://github.com/apache/airflow/discussions] page. It's light in traffic, and we might try to use it more, but I think GitHub discussions should be more for ... discussions, not Q&A (not yet at least). SO has so much more content, rating, traffic etc. Why don't we split into: "Discuss an idea" -> https://github.com/apache/airflow/discussions [https://github.com/apache/airflow/discussions] "Ask a question or get support" -> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/airflow [https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/airflow] 2) Linking SO with our slack? And why don't we connect the " https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/airflow [https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/airflow] " RSS to a new "#so-questions" in our Slack ? I think we are not often looking at SO, but there is a substantial (but not overwhelming) traffic there - I see 10 questions today, 46 this week for example. And there are many unanswered questions there. I think just seeing those in slack might drag more attention from the commiters and some active community members. WDYT everyone ? J. On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 2:07 PM Martijn Pieters < zopati...@gmail.com [zopati...@gmail.com] > wrote: On 2020/11/05 08:37:28, Jarek Potiuk < jarek.pot...@polidea.com [jarek.pot...@polidea.com] > wrote: > I was wondering if we should do something about it? Maybe we should promote > more Stack Overflow? We already have a link about it on our website in "Ask > the questions' chapter. But Stack Overflow answers and links very rarely > come up in the discussions in Slack for example. I was just wondering if > there is anything we can do to make it more "promoted"? > > Maybe someone can have some ideas on how to make it more "visible"? Hi! Quick intro: I've been contributing to Airflow recently, especially to the 2.0.0 release currently in alpha. But I'm also one of the community elected moderators on Stack Overflow as well as a frequent Python contributor on that site. Stack Overflow can be a temperamental place, but it is _is_ a great resource for people that know how to formulate good, focused questions on programming-related subjects. If there were a few people from the Airflow project actively answering questions there, then the resulting content can be of great help to anyone else with similar problems. There are a few FAQs on meta.stackoverflow.com [http://meta.stackoverflow.com] which might be applicable here, I strongly recommend people take a look at these; they cover SO from the perspective both of a project team (OSS or commercial) and from the perspective of the question askers: - https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/326374/how-can-i-use-stack-overflow-to-support-our-developer-community [https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/326374/how-can-i-use-stack-overflow-to-support-our-developer-community] - https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/255745/why-cant-i-ask-customer-service-related-questions [https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/255745/why-cant-i-ask-customer-service-related-questions] - https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/253849/is-it-acceptable-to-use-stack-overflow-as-a-qa-for-a-specific-product [https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/253849/is-it-acceptable-to-use-stack-overflow-as-a-qa-for-a-specific-product] Some of that advice is more aimed at tech companies, but it's still helpful to keep in mind that not everyone active in content curation (e.g. most of the users with a bit of reputation) will view questions without clear context on the problem at hand, in the same light. At any rate, to promote Stack Overflow as a resource, linking it from a 'further resources' page in the documentation would be a good starting point. Just make sure it is not implied that Stack Overflow is a general support channel for the project. :-) -- Martijn Pieters https://stackoverflow.com/users/100297/martijn-pieters [https://stackoverflow.com/users/100297/martijn-pieters] | https://www.zopatista.com [https://www.zopatista.com] -- Jarek Potiuk Polidea [https://www.polidea.com/] | Principal Software Engineer M: +48 660 796 129 [https://www.polidea.com/] -- Leah Cole (she/her) | Developer Programs Engineer | colel...@google.com [colel...@google.com] | (925) 257-2112 I'm working weird hours during this pandemic and am sometimes a bit slower to respond to PRs/CLs than normal. Please feel free to send me a gentle ping for a status update if my slowness is blocking you and I'll do my best to give you an ETA.
