Hi Claus,
I think the getting started guides should focus on camel. So a link to
getting started with Fuse Mediation Router is at least a bit confusing
for people. On the other hand I also sometimes refer to Talend
Integration Factory examples when people have problems that are solved
in one of these examples. So I am a bit unsure about this one.
Christian
Am 04.05.2011 09:48, schrieb Claus Ibsen:
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Rob Davies<rajdav...@gmail.com> wrote:
I've corresponded with Hadrian about this off list.
Whilst I understand the sentiment, this policy certainly wasn't clear to me or
other PMC members. Whilst there are occasional links to external information,
mainly at FuseSource, these are historical and done in the context of providing
information to new users and developers whilst we growing the Camel community,
to be one of the most successful and widely used projects at Apache today. This
isn't unique to Apache Camel, its a methodology we've successfully followed
whilst initiating and growing ActiveMQ, ServiceMix, Karaf and CXF - to get as
much information into users hands as early as possible, from whatever source
that maybe.
Given where Camel is today, its absolutely right to have a level playing ground
- but what I would like to see is that this policy is clearly understood by
everyone - and not handled in off list conversations.
I would like to propose that from now on all links to 3rd party distributions
or usages of Apache Camel in a 3rd party product are put into (but not limited
to) the following 4 categories:
1. support
2. Articles
3. Tutorials
4. Tools
5. Books
What about the Getting Started page?
(http://camel.apache.org/getting-started.html) It has links to
Jonathans excellent article, that is IMHO one of the best source to
introduce you to Camel. And as well the chapter 1 of the Camel in
Action book (of course a great source as well). Are those links from
the getting started page forbidden now?
If so thats a PITA as new users should read Jonathans article. Then
they are off to a great start.
And there is a grace period (till end of June 2011) to move links to external
information to one of these areas by the authors, else it they will be deleted.
Here's my +1
On 3 May 2011, at 16:52, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:
No, there are things that are not up to the community to decide. I drew
attention when some changes were made that that was a mistake and my impression
was that the point was well taken. I also mentioned that if changes won't be
removed by their authors I will. That was months ago. If anything, I can be
blamed for not making these changes earlier.
The Apache Camel project has a designated place to inform the users community
of commercial offerings [1]. And there are also the articles [2] and tutorials
[3] pages that can be used (within reason). Everything else a commercial
organization has to say about offerings related to the Apache projects can be
done on their site.
I hope this clarifies it,
Hadrian
[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CAMEL/Support
[2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CAMEL/Articles
[3] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CAMEL/Tutorials
On May 3, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Claus Ibsen wrote:
Hi
This post is addressed to Hadrian who has been deleting and editing
web pages from Apache Camel (today),
which seems to be related to the fact those pages had information about Fuse.
I would like to call out that such actions should have been discussed
in the public at first and agreed upon by the community.
Most of the information has been there for a long time and its related
and relevant for Apache Camel.
And of use for people who look into what Camel is.
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