I think Books and Getting Started are great too - I would hate to see them deleted On 4 May 2011, at 08:48, Claus Ibsen wrote:
> On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Rob Davies <rajdav...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I've corresponded with Hadrian about this off list. >> >> Whilst I understand the sentiment, this policy certainly wasn't clear to me >> or other PMC members. Whilst there are occasional links to external >> information, mainly at FuseSource, these are historical and done in the >> context of providing information to new users and developers whilst we >> growing the Camel community, to be one of the most successful and widely >> used projects at Apache today. This isn't unique to Apache Camel, its a >> methodology we've successfully followed whilst initiating and growing >> ActiveMQ, ServiceMix, Karaf and CXF - to get as much information into users >> hands as early as possible, from whatever source that maybe. >> Given where Camel is today, its absolutely right to have a level playing >> ground - but what I would like to see is that this policy is clearly >> understood by everyone - and not handled in off list conversations. >> >> I would like to propose that from now on all links to 3rd party >> distributions or usages of Apache Camel in a 3rd party product are put into >> (but not limited to) the following 4 categories: >> >> 1. support >> 2. Articles >> 3. Tutorials >> 4. Tools >> > > 5. Books > > What about the Getting Started page? > (http://camel.apache.org/getting-started.html) It has links to > Jonathans excellent article, that is IMHO one of the best source to > introduce you to Camel. And as well the chapter 1 of the Camel in > Action book (of course a great source as well). Are those links from > the getting started page forbidden now? > > If so thats a PITA as new users should read Jonathans article. Then > they are off to a great start. > > > > >> And there is a grace period (till end of June 2011) to move links to >> external information to one of these areas by the authors, else it they will >> be deleted. >> >> Here's my +1 >> >> On 3 May 2011, at 16:52, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote: >> >>> No, there are things that are not up to the community to decide. I drew >>> attention when some changes were made that that was a mistake and my >>> impression was that the point was well taken. I also mentioned that if >>> changes won't be removed by their authors I will. That was months ago. If >>> anything, I can be blamed for not making these changes earlier. >>> >>> The Apache Camel project has a designated place to inform the users >>> community of commercial offerings [1]. And there are also the articles [2] >>> and tutorials [3] pages that can be used (within reason). Everything else a >>> commercial organization has to say about offerings related to the Apache >>> projects can be done on their site. >>> >>> I hope this clarifies it, >>> Hadrian >>> >>> >>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CAMEL/Support >>> [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CAMEL/Articles >>> [3] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CAMEL/Tutorials >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 3, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Claus Ibsen wrote: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> This post is addressed to Hadrian who has been deleting and editing >>>> web pages from Apache Camel (today), >>>> which seems to be related to the fact those pages had information about >>>> Fuse. >>>> >>>> I would like to call out that such actions should have been discussed >>>> in the public at first and agreed upon by the community. >>>> >>>> Most of the information has been there for a long time and its related >>>> and relevant for Apache Camel. >>>> And of use for people who look into what Camel is. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Claus Ibsen >>>> ----------------- >>>> FuseSource >>>> Email: cib...@fusesource.com >>>> Web: http://fusesource.com >>>> CamelOne 2011: http://fusesource.com/camelone2011/ >>>> Twitter: davsclaus >>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/ >>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/ >>> >> >> > > > > -- > Claus Ibsen > ----------------- > FuseSource > Email: cib...@fusesource.com > Web: http://fusesource.com > CamelOne 2011: http://fusesource.com/camelone2011/ > Twitter: davsclaus > Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/ > Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
