On 19 October 2015 at 00:44, Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.bout...@free.fr> wrote: >> ---------- cut here ---------- >> ## PMC changes: >> >> - Currently 42 PMC members listed in committee-info.txt. >> - No new PMC members added in the last 3 months >> - Last PMC addition was Dana Freeborn at Fri Mar 27 2015 >> >> ## LDAP unix group changes: >> >> - Currently 44 members >> - Radu Manole was added on Tue Oct 06 2015 >> ---------- cut here ---------- >> >> Would that satisfy everyone? > IMHO, making explicit which "LDAP unix group" is looked at would be useful
There is only one LDAP unix group for each PMC. > Since I still don't understand if it's the committers group or PMC group > (I expect it to be the committers group) The committers group maintained using modify_unix_group.pl The committee group is maintained using modify_committee.pl > and if oodt-pmc LDAP does not have the same count as PMC members listed in > committee-info.txt, a warning should be added in the first section Such a warning does not belong in the report to the board, so does not belong in the report template. It might be worth adding a warning to the previous LDAP section. > Regards, > > Hervé > > Le dimanche 18 octobre 2015 14:19:00 sebb a écrit : >> The app currently says for OODT: >> >> ---------- cut here ---------- >> ## PMC changes: >> >> - Currently 42 PMC members. >> - No new PMC members added in the last 3 months >> - Last PMC addition was Dana Freeborn at Fri Mar 27 2015 >> >> >> - Currently 44 committers and 43 PMC members. >> - Radu Manole was added to the PMC on Sun Oct 11 2015 >> - Radu Manole was added as a committer on Tue Oct 06 2015 >> ---------- cut here ---------- >> >> Note that there are either 42 or 43 PMC members. (*) >> I think the above is a lot more confusing than the previous version which >> was: >> >> ---------- cut here ---------- >> ## PMC changes: >> >> - Currently 42 PMC members. >> - No new PMC members added in the last 3 months >> - Last PMC addition was Dana Freeborn at Fri Mar 27 2015 >> >> ## LDAP changes: >> >> - Currently 44 committers and 43 committee group members. >> - Radu Manole was added to the committee group on Sun Oct 11 2015 >> - Radu Manole was added as a committer on Tue Oct 06 2015 >> ---------- cut here ---------- >> >> As I already wrote, there is now no reason for the LDAP committee >> changes to be listed in the board report. >> >> So what I propose is: >> >> ---------- cut here ---------- >> ## PMC changes: >> >> - Currently 42 PMC members listed in committee-info.txt. >> - No new PMC members added in the last 3 months >> - Last PMC addition was Dana Freeborn at Fri Mar 27 2015 >> >> ## LDAP unix group changes: >> >> - Currently 44 members >> - Radu Manole was added on Tue Oct 06 2015 >> ---------- cut here ---------- >> >> Would that satisfy everyone? >> >> (*) that is because Radu has not yet been added to committee-info.txt >> so is not yet officially a member of the PMC >> >> On 18 October 2015 at 10:12, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On 18 October 2015 at 09:31, Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.bout...@free.fr> wrote: >> >> from my understanding: >> >> - PMC composition is available in 2 forms: committee-info.txt (= golden >> >> source) and LDAP xxx-pmc group >> > >> > The *only* record of current PMC membership is committee-info.txt. >> > >> > The LDAP committee group (modify_committee.pl) is only used for >> > granting karma, e.g. to PMC-private SVN and dist/release. >> > >> > They should generally have the same members, since all (and perhaps >> > only) PMC members should have the karma. >> > >> > However this is not always the case, and it's important not to confuse the >> > two.> >> >> - committers list is available only in LDAP as xxx group >> > >> > The LDAP unix group (modify_unix_group.pl) generally grants karma to SVN. >> > However not every PMC uses it - e.g. Commons and Subversion allow any >> > ASF committer to commit. >> > >> >> then instead of displaying: >> >> * PMC from committee-info >> >> * LDAP info: PMC + committers >> >> >> >> it would be easier to understand if the structure was more: >> >> * PMC info from committee-info (and warning if LDAP PMC info is not >> >> consistent) >> > >> > The consistency check is already done by Whimsy, but I suppose it >> > could be repeated here. >> > Or the Whimsy page could be linked if there was a discrepancy. >> > >> >> * committers info (no need to explain that it comes from LDAP) >> >> >> >> WDYT? >> > >> > That is basically what it did say before the recent change. >> > >> > Except that I do think it's necessary to explain that the committer >> > (modify_unix_group.pl) info is just an LDAP group. >> > >> > There is no direct relationship with committers on a project in general. >> > Commons and Subversion don't use the group for commit karma. >> > Also it's relatively rare that people are dropped from the unix group, >> > even if they have stopped contributing. >> > So the group does not have any bearing on the current committer base. >> > >> > Additions to the unix group generally are associated with new >> > committers, so that is probably worth reporting. >> > >> >> Hervé >> >> >> >> Le vendredi 16 octobre 2015 23:24:16 sebb a écrit : >> >>> On 16 October 2015 at 21:08, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >>> > I feel confident that anybody objects to ambiguous information, and >> >>> > that >> >>> > no >> >>> > one will object to improvement. >> >>> >> >>> I do object to conflating LDAP committee and PMC membership. >> >>> The two are completely distinct (although related). >> >>> >> >>> This is why I changed the text to show LDAP committee rather than PMC >> >>> a while back. >> >>> At the time, the tool did not analyse the actual PMC membership, only >> >>> LDAP. >> >>> >> >>> However it does now, so the output shows them as distinct items. >> >>> >> >>> The LDAP committee information is not really relevant to the board, so >> >>> could now be dropped from the report skeleton. >> >>> >> >>> But I think it is completely wrong to imply that changes to the LDAP >> >>> committee group have any bearing on PMC membership. >> >>> >> >>> > Best regards, >> >>> > >> >>> > Pierre Smits >> >>> > >> >>> > *OFBiz Extensions Marketplace* >> >>> > http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/ >> >>> > >> >>> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Rich Bowen <rbo...@rcbowen.com> > wrote: >> >>> >> Although I acknowledge that the LDAP membership and the project >> >>> >> membership >> >>> >> might be different in certain weird edge cases, for the purpose of >> >>> >> actually >> >>> >> generating a board report, I find the current formatting confuses me >> >>> >> Every >> >>> >> Single Time. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Viz: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> ## PMC changes: >> >>> >> - Currently 10 PMC members. >> >>> >> - No new PMC members added in the last 3 months >> >>> >> - Last PMC addition was Jean-Fran=C3=A7ois Maury at Mon Apr 07 2014 >> >>> >> >> >>> >> ## LDAP changes: >> >>> >> - Currently 26 committers and 10 committee group members. >> >>> >> - No new committee group members added in the last 3 months >> >>> >> - No new committers added in the last 3 months >> >>> >> - Last committer addition was Lyor Goldstein at Thu Apr 30 2015 >> >>> >> >> >>> >> So, I can tease out of that there's 26 committers, and 10 PMC >> >>> >> members, >> >>> >> and >> >>> >> the latest additions were Jean Francois on April 7, and Lyor on April >> >>> >> 30. >> >>> >> The rest of that phrasing is confusing to me. committee vs committer >> >>> >> and >> >>> >> LDAP vs ... whatever. Not sure. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Does anybody object to me reformatting this a little, so that it >> >>> >> won't >> >>> >> confuse me next month? >> >>> >> >> >>> >> --Rich >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> -- >> >>> >> Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen >> >>> >> http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon >
