On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 1:33 PM Eric Covener <cove...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I'm not going to (intentionally) actively discriminate for or against > > anyone. But I will protect your right, as an individual, to do so as long > > as you protect my right to help you achieve the > > right balance in our broader communities by stamping out the existence of > > any discrimination (positive or negative). > > Community over code > > How do you square this with the code of conduct? In my reading, unless > the discrimination threaded some extremely fine needle, it would be in > violation and a good argument could be made for the defense of it > being in violation as well.
My sense is that introducing the term discrimination into the discussion taints it. My way of looking at it is that we don't want anybody to feel unwelcome here, and yet clearly there are individuals who don't feel welcome here, and enough of them that we can determine broad patterns. An analogy that won't make sense at first: the board votes pretty much every month to create a new PMC, and in most cases without any intention of personally participating in that PMC. I'm a native English speaker. If a group of people wanted to get together to figure out a way to attract more people who either don't speak English or don't speak English well, I'd support them. This is an effort that I would not necessarily be able to help with, but I will help them organize. I've lived my whole life in Northern America. If a group of people want to get together to figure out how to attract more people from west Africa or east Asia, I'd support them. A non-ASF code example: some work on Kubernetes to bring order to the cloud. Recently, some people have been working on Kubernetes to make this work on IOT/Edge devices. That may not be a use case every member of the first set of people are interested in, but that simply means that those that aren't interested simply don't participate. Recapping: identify a pattern in the data where a group of people are (presumably inadvertently due to our collective ineptness) made to feel unwelcome, create a proposal to address that, build consensus around that proposal, and then execute on it. If this does not result in an effort to attract a specific demographic, that's because either there isn't demonstrably a problem, or we haven't found a proposal that would address that problem. - Sam Ruby --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
