On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Andrew Grieve <agri...@chromium.org> wrote: > Joe - totally uncalled for. Not sure where it even came from. If you > hate Apache so much, then why are you a *volunteer* on an Apache > project?
Because I like the Cordova project, despite what Apache has done to it. > > I'm fairly confident that there is not a good understanding of what it > means to be a PMC, or PMC chair, and Jim is spending his time to help > us out. Nobody asked Jim to help, in fact quite the opposite. I know that we have to do what Apache tells us because they own the code now, but I don't have to pretend to like it. > Jim - thank you. > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Joe Bowser <bows...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com> wrote: >>> There is one other aspect of the chair which, for a somewhat >>> newish PMC is important: The entire PMC is responsible for >>> ensuring that the project is run in a way which abides by, >>> and embraces, the "Apache Way"... when it doesn't, the >>> Chair needs to (1) know that the PMC is going awry and >>> (2) encourage the PMC to fix those problems and (3) >>> interact w/ the board if the PMC needs help in doing so. >>> >> >> So, who is to protect the PMC from yourself and rest of the board >> trying to destroy the project with insults and vitriol? While I >> believe that Shazron is up to the task, I'm convinced that "The Apache >> Way" is the worst way to run a software project, and that the Apache >> Board spends all their time trying to find ways to debate itself into >> irrelevancy. I wish that we never joined the ASF, and honestly when >> you told us that we should leave months ago, I welcomed it. That >> being said, we're still here, despite your best efforts. We've seen >> what happens when the board tries to help, and it generally pisses a >> bunch of committers off, and ends up with people insulting each other >> personally. This response to your first e-mail on this list should >> not come as any surprise. >> >> The fact is that Shaz fits well, because unlike me, he is diplomatic >> and won't tell you to jump off a cliff every time you or any other >> Apache person comes in and tries to interfere with our project. >> >> >>> Not knowing Shaz personally, how does that all fit in >>> with the nomination? >>> >>> On Apr 22, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Cordova community. To this point I've served as the chair for the >>>> Cordova PMC. >>>> >>>> The duties of chair are solely administrative: board reports, and book >>>> keeping of committer nominations. Some projects at Apache have more formal >>>> incantations. We have, so far, preferred to maintain our lightweight >>>> approach meaning a committer is a PMC member too. This involves sending an >>>> email, updating a text file in SVN, and running a few perl scripts on >>>> http://people.apache.org. Keeping those books is important if some day >>>> there is a dispute to the veracity of our source. >>>> >>>> In evaluation of my current workload these additional book keeping >>>> responsibilities are not appropriate for me to prioritize and that is not >>>> fair to Cordova. >>>> >>>> I'm going to step down as chair for Cordova and I would like to nominate >>>> Shazron Abdullha to take on the role. Shaz has been with the project since >>>> before it was called Cordova. He lands more code than most, interacts >>>> directly with the community more than anyone, and is committed to work on >>>> Cordova solely full time. He'll be a better chair than I ever was. >>>> >>>> I won't be going anywhere and (I hope!) this means I can contribute more >>>> code than emails in the future. We can be formal and go to a vote if there >>>> is objection or interest in seeing someone else take the admin duties on. >>>> Otherwise, I'll aim to shoot the board official notice early next week. >>>
