On Apr 22, 2014, at 9:21 PM, Joe Bowser <bows...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Andrew Grieve <agri...@chromium.org> wrote: >> Joe - totally uncalled for. Not sure where it even came from. If you >> hate Apache so much, then why are you a *volunteer* on an Apache >> project? > > Because I like the Cordova project, despite what Apache has done to it. > >> >> I'm fairly confident that there is not a good understanding of what it >> means to be a PMC, or PMC chair, and Jim is spending his time to help >> us out. > > Nobody asked Jim to help, in fact quite the opposite. I know that we > have to do what Apache tells us because they own the code now, but I > don't have to pretend to like it.
Actually, the board did. > >> Jim - thank you. >> >> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Joe Bowser <bows...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com> wrote: >>>> There is one other aspect of the chair which, for a somewhat >>>> newish PMC is important: The entire PMC is responsible for >>>> ensuring that the project is run in a way which abides by, >>>> and embraces, the "Apache Way"... when it doesn't, the >>>> Chair needs to (1) know that the PMC is going awry and >>>> (2) encourage the PMC to fix those problems and (3) >>>> interact w/ the board if the PMC needs help in doing so. >>>> >>> >>> So, who is to protect the PMC from yourself and rest of the board >>> trying to destroy the project with insults and vitriol? While I >>> believe that Shazron is up to the task, I'm convinced that "The Apache >>> Way" is the worst way to run a software project, and that the Apache >>> Board spends all their time trying to find ways to debate itself into >>> irrelevancy. I wish that we never joined the ASF, and honestly when >>> you told us that we should leave months ago, I welcomed it. That >>> being said, we're still here, despite your best efforts. We've seen >>> what happens when the board tries to help, and it generally pisses a >>> bunch of committers off, and ends up with people insulting each other >>> personally. This response to your first e-mail on this list should >>> not come as any surprise. >>> >>> The fact is that Shaz fits well, because unlike me, he is diplomatic >>> and won't tell you to jump off a cliff every time you or any other >>> Apache person comes in and tries to interfere with our project. >>> >>> >>>> Not knowing Shaz personally, how does that all fit in >>>> with the nomination? >>>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello Cordova community. To this point I've served as the chair for the >>>>> Cordova PMC. >>>>> >>>>> The duties of chair are solely administrative: board reports, and book >>>>> keeping of committer nominations. Some projects at Apache have more formal >>>>> incantations. We have, so far, preferred to maintain our lightweight >>>>> approach meaning a committer is a PMC member too. This involves sending an >>>>> email, updating a text file in SVN, and running a few perl scripts on >>>>> http://people.apache.org. Keeping those books is important if some day >>>>> there is a dispute to the veracity of our source. >>>>> >>>>> In evaluation of my current workload these additional book keeping >>>>> responsibilities are not appropriate for me to prioritize and that is not >>>>> fair to Cordova. >>>>> >>>>> I'm going to step down as chair for Cordova and I would like to nominate >>>>> Shazron Abdullha to take on the role. Shaz has been with the project since >>>>> before it was called Cordova. He lands more code than most, interacts >>>>> directly with the community more than anyone, and is committed to work on >>>>> Cordova solely full time. He'll be a better chair than I ever was. >>>>> >>>>> I won't be going anywhere and (I hope!) this means I can contribute more >>>>> code than emails in the future. We can be formal and go to a vote if there >>>>> is objection or interest in seeing someone else take the admin duties on. >>>>> Otherwise, I'll aim to shoot the board official notice early next week. >>>> >
