Ok, 4.0 On 10/10/14, 2:08 PM, "Steven Gill" <stevengil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Alright, 4.0. > >On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Shazron <shaz...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> 4.0 and let's move on. It's just a number, and is a minor point in the >>end. >> >> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Andrew Grieve <agri...@chromium.org> >> wrote: >> >> > Should we consider jumping to 13? You know... just prefix a 1 onto the >> > existing number. >> > >> > .... >> > >> > 4.0 (or any other number) is great by me! >> > >> > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) >>< >> > panar...@microsoft.com> wrote: >> > >> > > 4.0 is also good. Should we tag and start a vote for that ? >> > > Sorry for asking about vote again, but I want to ensure that the >>issues >> > > that Sergey fixed in the CLI/Lib are impacting some folks and I hope >> this >> > > release could help them fast. >> > > >> > > On 10/10/14, 10:17 AM, "Victor Sosa" <sosah.vic...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > >> > > >lol... I like that :P >> > > > >> > > >2014-10-10 12:09 GMT-05:00 Joe Bowser <bows...@gmail.com>: >> > > > >> > > >> On Oct 10, 2014 10:05 AM, "Brian LeRoux" <b...@brian.io> wrote: >> > > >> > >> > > >> > OR we move to named releases externally. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Cordova MX === 4.0 >> > > >> >> > > >> Cordova Mexico? >> > > >> >> > > >> > On Oct 10, 2014 10:03 AM, "Michal Mocny" <mmo...@chromium.org> >> > wrote: >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > 4 was also discussed as fine, and in isolation would have >>been >> our >> > > >> choice >> > > >> > > for sure -- but we worried that with the impending >>"cordova-4.0" >> > > >> releases, >> > > >> > > it would confuse users and not mark a clear departure from >> cadver. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > The more I think about it though, the less important I think >> that >> > > >>worry >> > > >> > > is. Maybe 4.0 is fine. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > (Apologies to Steve, who just wants to get this over with) >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > As is 4. >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > This is more of an outreach, marketing, blogging, tweeting, >> etc >> > > >> problem. >> > > >> > > > Versions are for issue tracking not marketing. (Tho semver >>and >> > our >> > > >> > > > respective $BIGCO's confuse that to their and our continued >> > > >>strife.) >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > (All IMO of course, happy to follow the wisdom of the >>crowd on >> > > >>this >> > > >> one.) >> > > >> > > > On Oct 10, 2014 9:29 AM, "Michal Mocny" >><mmo...@chromium.org> >> > > >>wrote: >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > 5 is also fine. >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Brian LeRoux >><b...@brian.io> >> > > >>wrote: >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > I am against it. Its not going to achieve the goal of >> > > >>alleviating >> > > >> > > > > > confusion. People see the CLI as the version not the >> > > >>platforms. >> > > >> I'd >> > > >> > > > > rather >> > > >> > > > > > we went to 5 if anything. >> > > >> > > > > > On Oct 9, 2014 3:56 PM, "Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN >> > > >>TECH)" < >> > > >> > > > > > panar...@microsoft.com> wrote: >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > I meant tag and start the vote for the next release >>:) >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > On 10/9/14, 3:01 PM, "Chuck Lantz" < >> cla...@microsoft.com> >> > > >> wrote: >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >+1 >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >-Chuck >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >> > > >> > > > > > > >From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com] >> > > >> > > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM >> > > >> > > > > > > >To: dev@cordova.apache.org >> > > >> > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >+1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 >>hours >> > > >>before >> > > >> > > moving >> > > >> > > > > on. >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >How about if anyone is completely against 10.0.0 >>they >> > > >>voice it >> > > >> > > here, >> > > >> > > > > in >> > > >> > > > > > > >the next couple hours, otherwise we move forward. >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >@purplecabbage >> > > >> > > > > > > >risingj.com >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Steven Gill < >> > > >> > > stevengil...@gmail.com >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >wrote: >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> I don't think a vote is necessary. I'd hate to >>see us >> > > >>resort >> > > >> to >> > > >> > > > > voting >> > > >> > > > > > > >> to solve problems. Voting should be a last resort >>if >> > > >> consensus >> > > >> > > is >> > > >> > > > > > > >> split. I don't see that in this scenario. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> I propose we bumb the version up to 10.0.0. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Parashuram >>Narasimhan >> > (MS >> > > >> OPEN >> > > >> > > > > TECH) < >> > > >> > > > > > > >> panar...@microsoft.com> wrote: >> > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > Lets start with a vote for 10.0.0 ? And if >>someone >> > > >>feels >> > > >> > > > strongly >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > about calling it something the vote could be >> > cancelled >> > > >>!! >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > On 10/9/14, 2:41 PM, "Chuck Lantz" >> > > >><cla...@microsoft.com> >> > > >> > > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Yeah agreed - Vladimir squashed the bug and >>what >> was >> > > >>at >> > > >> once >> > > >> > > > > point >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >to be called 3.7.0 has been mainly waiting on a >> > > >>version >> > > >> > > number. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Personally I am fine with 10.0.0 or 5.0.0 - >>Either >> > > >>send >> > > >> the >> > > >> > > > > message >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >that platform versions are divorced from the >>CLI >> > from >> > > >>a >> > > >> > > > > versioning >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >perspective (though behavior is still >> predictable). >> > > >>Leo >> > > >> - I >> > > >> > > > > think >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >at least out of the gate devs will likely >>focus on >> > the >> > > >> CLI >> > > >> > > > > version >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >as primary. Basically today, the cadence >>version >> of >> > > >>the >> > > >> CLI >> > > >> > > is >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >what people talk about. Heck, Cordova >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >3.4.1 was 3.4.0 for all platforms but iOS. The >> main >> > > >> message >> > > >> > > is >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >that >> > > >> > > > > > > >> when >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >you platform add android, you may see an npm >>pull >> > for >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >cordova-android@4.3.2 and that is expected. >>It's >> > > just >> > > >> > > > > formalizing >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >the message and allows independent platform >> rev'ing. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >-Chuck >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >-----Original Message----- >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >From: Steven Gill >>[mailto:stevengil...@gmail.com] >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:13 PM >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >To: dev@cordova.apache.org >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Cc: Michal Mocny; Marcel Kinard >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Subject: Re: Independent platform release >>summary >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >I think vladimir fixed the bug. We just need to >> > > >>release >> > > >> now. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Only thing holding back the release now is >> consensus >> > > >>on >> > > >> the >> > > >> > > > > version >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >of the cli. It seemed like most people were >> leaning >> > > >> toward >> > > >> > > > > 10.0.0. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Should I move forward with that? I would just >>have >> > to >> > > >> branch >> > > >> > > + >> > > >> > > > > pin >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >deps >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Leo the documentation version dropdown box >>would >> be >> > > >>tied >> > > >> to >> > > >> > > cli >> > > >> > > > > > > >>version. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >It still makes sense to copy over platform >> > > >>documentation >> > > >> into >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >platform repos and maybe copy it into docs >>during >> > > >> generation >> > > >> > > > > time. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >As for plugin pinning, plugins have more to do >> with >> > > >> > > platforms. >> > > >> > > > I >> > > >> > > > > > > >> wouldn't >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >say they aren't tied to the cli at all. I >> understand >> > > >>your >> > > >> > > point >> > > >> > > > > > > >>though. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >So far, we haven't had any plugins that won't >>work >> > > >>with >> > > >> > > > previous >> > > >> > > > > > > >> versions >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >(As far as I know). We should really fix the >> engine >> > > >>stuff >> > > >> for >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >plugins so we can keep track of what platforms >> they >> > > >>work >> > > >> for. >> > > >> > > > I'd >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >like us to give warnings to users to update >>their >> > > >>plugins >> > > >> if >> > > >> > > > > newer >> > > >> > > > > > > >>versions are out. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Cordova info should also dump what versions of >> > plugins >> > > >> you >> > > >> > > have >> > > >> > > > > > > >> installed >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >if it doesn't already. In combination with >>cordova >> > > >>--save >> > > >> & >> > > >> > > > > cordova >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >--restore, we should be able to recommend a >> workflow >> > > >>that >> > > >> is >> > > >> > > > > easily >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >reproducible on any machine. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Chuck Lantz < >> > > >> > > > > cla...@microsoft.com> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> wrote: >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Okay - so - there's a pretty nasty CLI >>blocker >> bug >> > > >> right >> > > >> > > now. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Plugins with dependencies don't install (this >> > > >>affects >> > > >> all >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> platforms). In my opinion, we need to get a >>CLI >> > > >> release >> > > >> > > out >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> really soon. Are we closed on this topic, >>or do >> > we >> > > >> need to >> > > >> > > > > look >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> at doing the old process to get this out the >> door >> > > >>while >> > > >> we >> > > >> > > > are >> > > >> > > > > > > >>still talking? >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> There are also a series of other bugs in the >> > > >>currently >> > > >> > > tagged >> > > >> > > > > > > >>"3.6.4" >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> platforms for Android, Windows, and Windows >> Phone >> > 8. >> > > >> These >> > > >> > > > can >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> be handled independently, but the CLI bug >>can't. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-7670 >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> -Chuck >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> From: Treggiari, Leo >> > > >>[mailto:leo.treggi...@intel.com] >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:23 PM >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> To: Michal Mocny >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Cc: Marcel Kinard; dev >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Subject: RE: Independent platform release >> summary >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> I'll have to admit that this seems a bit >>weird. >> > > >>That >> > > >> is, >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> independent versions of the CLI and >>platforms, >> > with >> > > >>a >> > > >> > > > "Cordova >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> release" named "something" - e.g. a date? >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Imagine a user wants to know whether the new >> > > >>whitelist >> > > >> > > entry >> > > >> > > > in >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> config.xml is supported in the versions of >>CLI >> and >> > > >> > > platforms >> > > >> > > > > that >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> they have - assuming they understand the >> > distinction >> > > >> > > between >> > > >> > > > > the >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> CLI and platforms to begin with. They use >>some >> > > >>command >> > > >> to >> > > >> > > > list >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> the versions of the "things" (CLI and >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> platforms) they have installed. They go to >>the >> > > >> individual >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> documentation of the "things" and try to >>figure >> it >> > > >>out. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> The way the Cordova documentation works >>today is >> > > >>nice >> > > >> with >> > > >> > > > the >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> combo box where I can select a Cordova >>version - >> > > >>3.6.0, >> > > >> > > > 3.5.0, >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> ... What would the combo box contain in the >>new >> > > >> versioning >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> scheme and how many entries would there be? >>Are >> > the >> > > >> > > answers >> > > >> > > > > > > >>"dates" and "lots of dates"? >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Or would there be no Cordova version >> documentation >> > > >> other >> > > >> > > than >> > > >> > > > > an >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> explanation of how to get the list of >>"things" >> you >> > > >> > > currently >> > > >> > > > > have >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> and where to find the documentation on them. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> To "pin" or not to "pin. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Note that, to me, the pinning choice defines >> what >> > > >> happens >> > > >> > > > when >> > > >> > > > > I >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >>use "cordova {plugin | platform} add foo" >>with >> no >> > > >> specific >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >>version specified. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> I've understood, so far at least, that >>plugins >> are >> > > >>not >> > > >> > > pinned >> > > >> > > > > (an >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> add always fetches something) and platforms >>are >> > > >>pinned >> > > >> to a >> > > >> > > > CLI >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> version (an add tells the CLI that I will be >> using >> > > >>that >> > > >> > > > > platform >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> (already >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> installed) for this project). Everything I >>have >> > > >>read >> > > >> which >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> includes 1 book and the on-line project >> > > >>documentation, >> > > >> > > > suggest >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> that, even if not stating it explicitly. >>E.g. >> > > >>plugins >> > > >> talk >> > > >> > > > > about >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> "fetching" and platforms don't. There is a >>way >> to >> > > >> fetch a >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> specific version of platform support. That's >> good >> > > >>and >> > > >> if I >> > > >> > > > do >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> that it is up to me to understand the >> > compatibility >> > > >>of >> > > >> the >> > > >> > > > > > > >>specific version I requested. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Is this true? If so then the npm cordova >> behavior >> > > >> seems >> > > >> > > > weird. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> That is, if I "npm install cordova" I get a >>set >> of >> > > >> pinned >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> platforms. If I "npm update cordova", I get >>a >> new >> > > >>CLI >> > > >> and >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> nothing else - i.e. not the platforms that >>were >> > > >>pinned >> > > >> to >> > > >> > > > that >> > > >> > > > > > > >>version of the CLI? >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Should the plugin and platform 'pin' >>behavior be >> > the >> > > >> same? >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Should both be pinned? Some may find this >> > > >>alternative >> > > >> > > > > > > >>"blasphemous" >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> but the core plugin versions tested with a >> version >> > > >>of >> > > >> the >> > > >> > > CLI >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> could be pinned to the version of the CLI. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Should both not be pinned? It would be more >> > > >>consistent >> > > >> and >> > > >> > > > if >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> users are OK with plugins being unpinned, why >> not >> > > >> > > platforms? >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> But maybe plugins and platforms are >>different. >> > > >>Plugins >> > > >> are >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> purely run-time code. Platforms are >>primarily >> > > >>tooling >> > > >> with >> > > >> > > > > some >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> run-time >> > > >> > > > > > > >> code. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Does that difference make the current pinning >> > > >>behavior >> > > >> the >> > > >> > > > best >> > > >> > > > > > > >> choice. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Maybe, but personally I would prefer both to >>be >> > > >>pinned >> > > >> - >> > > >> > > > i.e. I >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> install a version of Cordova, and until I >>update >> > it, >> > > >> every >> > > >> > > > > time I >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> add a platform or 'core' plugin, I get the >>same >> > > >>thing. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Leo >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> From: mmo...@google.com [mailto: >> mmo...@google.com >> > ] >> > > >>On >> > > >> > > Behalf >> > > >> > > > > Of >> > > >> > > > > > > >> Michal >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Mocny >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 1:47 PM >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> To: Treggiari, Leo >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Cc: Michal Mocny; Marcel Kinard; dev >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Subject: Re: Independent platform release >> summary >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> With this direction, there is no single >>number. >> > > >>Users >> > > >> > > should >> > > >> > > > > not >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> functionally care about CLI version, so there >> will >> > > >>just >> > > >> be >> > > >> > > > the >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> platform versions that matter, really. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Downstreams can of course put labels on >> > > >>combinations of >> > > >> > > > > versions, >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> so "PhoneGap 4" may be Android 4, iOS 3.8, >>and >> > etc. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Treggiari, >>Leo >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> <leo.treggi...@intel.com <mailto: >> > > >> leo.treggi...@intel.com >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > > > > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > Did I miss anything? >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> I don't think we closed on this (I had to >>leave >> > the >> > > >> > > meeting a >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> little >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> early) but a remaining question is how to >> version >> > > >>what >> > > >> we >> > > >> > > > (and >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> users) call "Cordova". Assuming a "Cordova" >> > > >>version is >> > > >> a >> > > >> > > > point >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> in time collection of the latest CLI version >>+ >> > > >>platform >> > > >> > > > > versions >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> + plugin versions. Is the Cordova version >> semver >> > > >> (using >> > > >> > > what >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> algorithm with respect to its contained >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> components) or is that what you meant by >> ""latest >> > > >>as >> > > >> of >> > > >> > > Oct >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> 2014" or something". >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Thanks, >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Leo >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> From: mmo...@google.com<mailto: >> mmo...@google.com> >> > > >> [mailto: >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> mmo...@google.com<mailto:mmo...@google.com>] >>On >> > > >>Behalf >> > > >> Of >> > > >> > > > > Michal >> > > >> > > > > > > >> Mocny >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 1:13 PM >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> To: Michal Mocny >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Cc: Marcel Kinard; dev >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Subject: Re: Independent platform release >> summary >> > > >> Thanks >> > > >> > > > > everyone >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> for participation in what was a long and >> grueling >> > > >> > > discussion. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Summary of current proposal: >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> - Cad-ver is dead. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> - Everything moves Sem-ver, with platforms >> > > >>continuing >> > > >> from >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> current versions and diverging over time. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> - CLI potentially gets a significant version >> bump >> > to >> > > >> > > showcase >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> this reset (to 5.0 or 10.0, not yet settled) >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> - Pinning default platform versions *will* >> > continue >> > > >>for >> > > >> the >> > > >> > > > > time >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> being, but it will be trivial to override the >> > > >>default. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> - Platforms will have CLI <engine> tag >> equivalent >> > > >> (unclear >> > > >> > > > yet >> > > >> > > > > if >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> as node peerDependency or otherwise) so devs >> will >> > > >>know >> > > >> when >> > > >> > > > > they >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> need to upgrade/downgrade CLI for non-default >> > > >>platform >> > > >> > > > > versions. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> - After a platform update, eventually CLI >>will >> > > >>release >> > > >> to >> > > >> > > > "pin" >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> the new default, and bump its PATCH/MINOR >> version >> > > >> (unless >> > > >> > > CLI >> > > >> > > > > had >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> a functional update at same time that >>requires a >> > > >>larger >> > > >> > > > bump). >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> - After you update CLI, your existing >>projects >> > don't >> > > >> > > change & >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> platform upgrades remain explicit, but you >>will >> > now >> > > >>get >> > > >> > > > > warnings >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> if your installed platforms are older than >>the >> CLI >> > > >> pinned >> > > >> > > > > > versions. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> - Event MAJOR changes to platforms are not >>MAJOR >> > > >> updates to >> > > >> > > > the >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> CLI, unless there is an actual breaking >>change >> to >> > > >>the >> > > >> CLI >> > > >> > > > tool >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> (i.e. new CLI will no longer work with the >> > currently >> > > >> > > > installed >> > > >> > > > > > > >>platform). >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> - Platform and CLI docs have to split out >>and be >> > > >> released & >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> versioned alongside each (like plugins). >>Cross >> > > >> references >> > > >> > > > from >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> one to the other will only be needed in a few >> > > >>places. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Note: The CLI-Platform compatibility story is >> > > >> functionally >> > > >> > > no >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >>different than we have today. If you upgrade >> your >> > > >>CLI >> > > >> and >> > > >> > > > there >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >>is a breaking change, you will have to >>re-create >> > > >>your >> > > >> > > > projects >> > > >> > > > > or >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >>downgrade CLI again. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Now we plan to be more explicit about it and >> offer >> > > >> > > warnings. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Note: There is no concept of a "fancy-pants" >> > release >> > > >> other >> > > >> > > > than >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> to say "latest as of Oct 2014" or something. >> > > >>Platforms >> > > >> > > don't >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> have a single common set of functionality, so >> > CadVer >> > > >> was >> > > >> > > > > somewhat >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> misleading already in that sense. We could >> > > >>introduce a >> > > >> > > > concept >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> of "API Level" for exec bridge or something >>for >> > use >> > > >>by >> > > >> > > > plugins, >> > > >> > > > > > > >>but not sure that has value. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> What wasn't covered that came to mind after >>the >> > > >>fact: >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> - When there is an update available for CLI, >> > should >> > > >>we >> > > >> > > give a >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> warning to update? (this is useful, but isn't >> > common >> > > >> for >> > > >> > > npm >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> modules. I think we already do this from >> plugman >> > > >>when >> > > >> you >> > > >> > > > try >> > > >> > > > > to >> > > >> > > > > > > >>publish plugins?). >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Did I miss anything? >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> -Michal >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Michal Mocny >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >><mmo...@chromium.org<mailto: >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> mmo...@chromium.org>> wrote: >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > External Public link for those that just >>want >> to >> > > >> > > > watch/chat: >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > https://plus.google.com/events/cm4l0vifcig920qkhpn5stqiet4 >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > Hangout link to join the conversation: >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> >> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcNwXEyet4Xv_23HiTl >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > 4I >> K0jsM4NlmGy5kbLsPIW3SnOsUEIQ?authuser=0&hl=en >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > See you in 30 minutes. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Michal >>Mocny >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > <mmo...@chromium.org >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> <mailto:mmo...@chromium.org>> wrote: >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> +dev list again >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> Not everyone could make 1pm, not everyone >> could >> > > >>make >> > > >> > > 2pm. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> While I don't think we need a full 2 >>hours, >> I'm >> > > >> hoping >> > > >> > > to >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> start late and end early -- proving >> opportunity >> > > >> people >> > > >> > > to >> > > >> > > > > pop >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> in at either time and chime >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> in. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Marcel >> Kinard >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> <cmarc...@gmail.com<mailto: >> cmarc...@gmail.com >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> wrote: >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> Is the expected duration 1 hour or 2 >>hours? >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> On Oct 8, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Michal Mocny >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >><mmo...@chromium.org<mailto: >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> mmo...@chromium.org>> wrote: >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> > So it looks like Today 1-3 EST or >>Friday >> 1-3 >> > > >>EST >> > > >> are >> > > >> > > > the >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> > best >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >>times. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> I'm >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> > going to start the ball rolling to do >>this >> > > >>TODAY, >> > > >> but >> > > >> > > > if >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> > that proves >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> too >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> > short notices we'll move it to Friday. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> > I'll email out links to hangout at >>12:30 >> or >> > > >>so, >> > > >> and >> > > >> > > I'm >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> > hoping Steven >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> can >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> > make it before 2pm since he's been most >> > active >> > > >> with >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> > releases >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> recently. >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> > -Michal >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> > > >> > > dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >For additional commands, e-mail: >> > > >> dev-h...@cordova.apache.org >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> > > >> dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: >> > > >> dev-h...@cordova.apache.org >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>?B�KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK >>>>>KC >> > > >>>B� >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>?�?[��X��ܚX�K??K[XZ[?�??]�][��X��ܚX�P?�ܙ?ݘK�\?X�?K�ܙ�B��܈?Y??]?[ۘ[??�� >>>>>[X >> > > >>>[� >> > > >> > > > > > > >?�??K[XZ[?�??]�Z?[???�ܙ?ݘK�\?X�?K�ܙ�B >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >-- >> > > >Victor Adrian Sosa Herrera >> > > >IBM Software Engineer >> > > >Guadalajara, Jalisco >> > > >> > > >> > > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org >> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cordova.apache.org >> > > >> > >>
