4.0! woo hoo. On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Josh Soref <jso...@blackberry.com> wrote:
> Ok, 4.0 > > On 10/10/14, 2:08 PM, "Steven Gill" <stevengil...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >Alright, 4.0. > > > >On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Shazron <shaz...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> 4.0 and let's move on. It's just a number, and is a minor point in the > >>end. > >> > >> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Andrew Grieve <agri...@chromium.org> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Should we consider jumping to 13? You know... just prefix a 1 onto the > >> > existing number. > >> > > >> > .... > >> > > >> > 4.0 (or any other number) is great by me! > >> > > >> > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) > >>< > >> > panar...@microsoft.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > 4.0 is also good. Should we tag and start a vote for that ? > >> > > Sorry for asking about vote again, but I want to ensure that the > >>issues > >> > > that Sergey fixed in the CLI/Lib are impacting some folks and I hope > >> this > >> > > release could help them fast. > >> > > > >> > > On 10/10/14, 10:17 AM, "Victor Sosa" <sosah.vic...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > >lol... I like that :P > >> > > > > >> > > >2014-10-10 12:09 GMT-05:00 Joe Bowser <bows...@gmail.com>: > >> > > > > >> > > >> On Oct 10, 2014 10:05 AM, "Brian LeRoux" <b...@brian.io> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > OR we move to named releases externally. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Cordova MX === 4.0 > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Cordova Mexico? > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > On Oct 10, 2014 10:03 AM, "Michal Mocny" <mmo...@chromium.org> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > 4 was also discussed as fine, and in isolation would have > >>been > >> our > >> > > >> choice > >> > > >> > > for sure -- but we worried that with the impending > >>"cordova-4.0" > >> > > >> releases, > >> > > >> > > it would confuse users and not mark a clear departure from > >> cadver. > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > The more I think about it though, the less important I think > >> that > >> > > >>worry > >> > > >> > > is. Maybe 4.0 is fine. > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > (Apologies to Steve, who just wants to get this over with) > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > As is 4. > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > This is more of an outreach, marketing, blogging, tweeting, > >> etc > >> > > >> problem. > >> > > >> > > > Versions are for issue tracking not marketing. (Tho semver > >>and > >> > our > >> > > >> > > > respective $BIGCO's confuse that to their and our continued > >> > > >>strife.) > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > (All IMO of course, happy to follow the wisdom of the > >>crowd on > >> > > >>this > >> > > >> one.) > >> > > >> > > > On Oct 10, 2014 9:29 AM, "Michal Mocny" > >><mmo...@chromium.org> > >> > > >>wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > 5 is also fine. > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Brian LeRoux > >><b...@brian.io> > >> > > >>wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > I am against it. Its not going to achieve the goal of > >> > > >>alleviating > >> > > >> > > > > > confusion. People see the CLI as the version not the > >> > > >>platforms. > >> > > >> I'd > >> > > >> > > > > rather > >> > > >> > > > > > we went to 5 if anything. > >> > > >> > > > > > On Oct 9, 2014 3:56 PM, "Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN > >> > > >>TECH)" < > >> > > >> > > > > > panar...@microsoft.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > I meant tag and start the vote for the next release > >>:) > >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > On 10/9/14, 3:01 PM, "Chuck Lantz" < > >> cla...@microsoft.com> > >> > > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >+1 > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >-Chuck > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >> > > >> > > > > > > >From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com] > >> > > >> > > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM > >> > > >> > > > > > > >To: dev@cordova.apache.org > >> > > >> > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >+1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 > >>hours > >> > > >>before > >> > > >> > > moving > >> > > >> > > > > on. > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >How about if anyone is completely against 10.0.0 > >>they > >> > > >>voice it > >> > > >> > > here, > >> > > >> > > > > in > >> > > >> > > > > > > >the next couple hours, otherwise we move forward. > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >@purplecabbage > >> > > >> > > > > > > >risingj.com > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Steven Gill < > >> > > >> > > stevengil...@gmail.com > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> I don't think a vote is necessary. I'd hate to > >>see us > >> > > >>resort > >> > > >> to > >> > > >> > > > > voting > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> to solve problems. Voting should be a last resort > >>if > >> > > >> consensus > >> > > >> > > is > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> split. I don't see that in this scenario. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> I propose we bumb the version up to 10.0.0. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Parashuram > >>Narasimhan > >> > (MS > >> > > >> OPEN > >> > > >> > > > > TECH) < > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> panar...@microsoft.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > Lets start with a vote for 10.0.0 ? And if > >>someone > >> > > >>feels > >> > > >> > > > strongly > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > about calling it something the vote could be > >> > cancelled > >> > > >>!! > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > On 10/9/14, 2:41 PM, "Chuck Lantz" > >> > > >><cla...@microsoft.com> > >> > > >> > > > wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Yeah agreed - Vladimir squashed the bug and > >>what > >> was > >> > > >>at > >> > > >> once > >> > > >> > > > > point > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >to be called 3.7.0 has been mainly waiting on a > >> > > >>version > >> > > >> > > number. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Personally I am fine with 10.0.0 or 5.0.0 - > >>Either > >> > > >>send > >> > > >> the > >> > > >> > > > > message > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >that platform versions are divorced from the > >>CLI > >> > from > >> > > >>a > >> > > >> > > > > versioning > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >perspective (though behavior is still > >> predictable). > >> > > >>Leo > >> > > >> - I > >> > > >> > > > > think > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >at least out of the gate devs will likely > >>focus on > >> > the > >> > > >> CLI > >> > > >> > > > > version > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >as primary. Basically today, the cadence > >>version > >> of > >> > > >>the > >> > > >> CLI > >> > > >> > > is > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >what people talk about. Heck, Cordova > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >3.4.1 was 3.4.0 for all platforms but iOS. The > >> main > >> > > >> message > >> > > >> > > is > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >that > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> when > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >you platform add android, you may see an npm > >>pull > >> > for > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >cordova-android@4.3.2 and that is expected. > >>It's > >> > > just > >> > > >> > > > > formalizing > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >the message and allows independent platform > >> rev'ing. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >-Chuck > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >-----Original Message----- > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >From: Steven Gill > >>[mailto:stevengil...@gmail.com] > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:13 PM > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >To: dev@cordova.apache.org > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Cc: Michal Mocny; Marcel Kinard > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Subject: Re: Independent platform release > >>summary > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >I think vladimir fixed the bug. We just need to > >> > > >>release > >> > > >> now. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Only thing holding back the release now is > >> consensus > >> > > >>on > >> > > >> the > >> > > >> > > > > version > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >of the cli. It seemed like most people were > >> leaning > >> > > >> toward > >> > > >> > > > > 10.0.0. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Should I move forward with that? I would just > >>have > >> > to > >> > > >> branch > >> > > >> > > + > >> > > >> > > > > pin > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >deps > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Leo the documentation version dropdown box > >>would > >> be > >> > > >>tied > >> > > >> to > >> > > >> > > cli > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>version. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >It still makes sense to copy over platform > >> > > >>documentation > >> > > >> into > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >platform repos and maybe copy it into docs > >>during > >> > > >> generation > >> > > >> > > > > time. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >As for plugin pinning, plugins have more to do > >> with > >> > > >> > > platforms. > >> > > >> > > > I > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> wouldn't > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >say they aren't tied to the cli at all. I > >> understand > >> > > >>your > >> > > >> > > point > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>though. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >So far, we haven't had any plugins that won't > >>work > >> > > >>with > >> > > >> > > > previous > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> versions > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >(As far as I know). We should really fix the > >> engine > >> > > >>stuff > >> > > >> for > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >plugins so we can keep track of what platforms > >> they > >> > > >>work > >> > > >> for. > >> > > >> > > > I'd > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >like us to give warnings to users to update > >>their > >> > > >>plugins > >> > > >> if > >> > > >> > > > > newer > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>versions are out. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >Cordova info should also dump what versions of > >> > plugins > >> > > >> you > >> > > >> > > have > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> installed > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >if it doesn't already. In combination with > >>cordova > >> > > >>--save > >> > > >> & > >> > > >> > > > > cordova > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >--restore, we should be able to recommend a > >> workflow > >> > > >>that > >> > > >> is > >> > > >> > > > > easily > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >reproducible on any machine. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Chuck Lantz < > >> > > >> > > > > cla...@microsoft.com> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Okay - so - there's a pretty nasty CLI > >>blocker > >> bug > >> > > >> right > >> > > >> > > now. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Plugins with dependencies don't install (this > >> > > >>affects > >> > > >> all > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> platforms). In my opinion, we need to get a > >>CLI > >> > > >> release > >> > > >> > > out > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> really soon. Are we closed on this topic, > >>or do > >> > we > >> > > >> need to > >> > > >> > > > > look > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> at doing the old process to get this out the > >> door > >> > > >>while > >> > > >> we > >> > > >> > > > are > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>still talking? > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> There are also a series of other bugs in the > >> > > >>currently > >> > > >> > > tagged > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>"3.6.4" > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> platforms for Android, Windows, and Windows > >> Phone > >> > 8. > >> > > >> These > >> > > >> > > > can > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> be handled independently, but the CLI bug > >>can't. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-7670 > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> -Chuck > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> From: Treggiari, Leo > >> > > >>[mailto:leo.treggi...@intel.com] > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:23 PM > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> To: Michal Mocny > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Cc: Marcel Kinard; dev > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Subject: RE: Independent platform release > >> summary > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> I'll have to admit that this seems a bit > >>weird. > >> > > >>That > >> > > >> is, > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> independent versions of the CLI and > >>platforms, > >> > with > >> > > >>a > >> > > >> > > > "Cordova > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> release" named "something" - e.g. a date? > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Imagine a user wants to know whether the new > >> > > >>whitelist > >> > > >> > > entry > >> > > >> > > > in > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> config.xml is supported in the versions of > >>CLI > >> and > >> > > >> > > platforms > >> > > >> > > > > that > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> they have - assuming they understand the > >> > distinction > >> > > >> > > between > >> > > >> > > > > the > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> CLI and platforms to begin with. They use > >>some > >> > > >>command > >> > > >> to > >> > > >> > > > list > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> the versions of the "things" (CLI and > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> platforms) they have installed. They go to > >>the > >> > > >> individual > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> documentation of the "things" and try to > >>figure > >> it > >> > > >>out. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> The way the Cordova documentation works > >>today is > >> > > >>nice > >> > > >> with > >> > > >> > > > the > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> combo box where I can select a Cordova > >>version - > >> > > >>3.6.0, > >> > > >> > > > 3.5.0, > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> ... What would the combo box contain in the > >>new > >> > > >> versioning > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> scheme and how many entries would there be? > >>Are > >> > the > >> > > >> > > answers > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>"dates" and "lots of dates"? > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Or would there be no Cordova version > >> documentation > >> > > >> other > >> > > >> > > than > >> > > >> > > > > an > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> explanation of how to get the list of > >>"things" > >> you > >> > > >> > > currently > >> > > >> > > > > have > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> and where to find the documentation on them. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> To "pin" or not to "pin. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Note that, to me, the pinning choice defines > >> what > >> > > >> happens > >> > > >> > > > when > >> > > >> > > > > I > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >>use "cordova {plugin | platform} add foo" > >>with > >> no > >> > > >> specific > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >>version specified. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> I've understood, so far at least, that > >>plugins > >> are > >> > > >>not > >> > > >> > > pinned > >> > > >> > > > > (an > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> add always fetches something) and platforms > >>are > >> > > >>pinned > >> > > >> to a > >> > > >> > > > CLI > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> version (an add tells the CLI that I will be > >> using > >> > > >>that > >> > > >> > > > > platform > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> (already > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> installed) for this project). Everything I > >>have > >> > > >>read > >> > > >> which > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> includes 1 book and the on-line project > >> > > >>documentation, > >> > > >> > > > suggest > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> that, even if not stating it explicitly. > >>E.g. > >> > > >>plugins > >> > > >> talk > >> > > >> > > > > about > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> "fetching" and platforms don't. There is a > >>way > >> to > >> > > >> fetch a > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> specific version of platform support. That's > >> good > >> > > >>and > >> > > >> if I > >> > > >> > > > do > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> that it is up to me to understand the > >> > compatibility > >> > > >>of > >> > > >> the > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>specific version I requested. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Is this true? If so then the npm cordova > >> behavior > >> > > >> seems > >> > > >> > > > weird. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> That is, if I "npm install cordova" I get a > >>set > >> of > >> > > >> pinned > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> platforms. If I "npm update cordova", I get > >>a > >> new > >> > > >>CLI > >> > > >> and > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> nothing else - i.e. not the platforms that > >>were > >> > > >>pinned > >> > > >> to > >> > > >> > > > that > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>version of the CLI? > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Should the plugin and platform 'pin' > >>behavior be > >> > the > >> > > >> same? > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Should both be pinned? Some may find this > >> > > >>alternative > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>"blasphemous" > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> but the core plugin versions tested with a > >> version > >> > > >>of > >> > > >> the > >> > > >> > > CLI > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> could be pinned to the version of the CLI. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Should both not be pinned? It would be more > >> > > >>consistent > >> > > >> and > >> > > >> > > > if > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> users are OK with plugins being unpinned, why > >> not > >> > > >> > > platforms? > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> But maybe plugins and platforms are > >>different. > >> > > >>Plugins > >> > > >> are > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> purely run-time code. Platforms are > >>primarily > >> > > >>tooling > >> > > >> with > >> > > >> > > > > some > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> run-time > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> code. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Does that difference make the current pinning > >> > > >>behavior > >> > > >> the > >> > > >> > > > best > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> choice. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Maybe, but personally I would prefer both to > >>be > >> > > >>pinned > >> > > >> - > >> > > >> > > > i.e. I > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> install a version of Cordova, and until I > >>update > >> > it, > >> > > >> every > >> > > >> > > > > time I > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> add a platform or 'core' plugin, I get the > >>same > >> > > >>thing. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Leo > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> From: mmo...@google.com [mailto: > >> mmo...@google.com > >> > ] > >> > > >>On > >> > > >> > > Behalf > >> > > >> > > > > Of > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> Michal > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Mocny > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 1:47 PM > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> To: Treggiari, Leo > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Cc: Michal Mocny; Marcel Kinard; dev > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Subject: Re: Independent platform release > >> summary > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> With this direction, there is no single > >>number. > >> > > >>Users > >> > > >> > > should > >> > > >> > > > > not > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> functionally care about CLI version, so there > >> will > >> > > >>just > >> > > >> be > >> > > >> > > > the > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> platform versions that matter, really. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Downstreams can of course put labels on > >> > > >>combinations of > >> > > >> > > > > versions, > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> so "PhoneGap 4" may be Android 4, iOS 3.8, > >>and > >> > etc. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Treggiari, > >>Leo > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> <leo.treggi...@intel.com <mailto: > >> > > >> leo.treggi...@intel.com > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > Did I miss anything? > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> I don't think we closed on this (I had to > >>leave > >> > the > >> > > >> > > meeting a > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> little > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> early) but a remaining question is how to > >> version > >> > > >>what > >> > > >> we > >> > > >> > > > (and > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> users) call "Cordova". Assuming a "Cordova" > >> > > >>version is > >> > > >> a > >> > > >> > > > point > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> in time collection of the latest CLI version > >>+ > >> > > >>platform > >> > > >> > > > > versions > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> + plugin versions. Is the Cordova version > >> semver > >> > > >> (using > >> > > >> > > what > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> algorithm with respect to its contained > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> components) or is that what you meant by > >> ""latest > >> > > >>as > >> > > >> of > >> > > >> > > Oct > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> 2014" or something". > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Leo > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> From: mmo...@google.com<mailto: > >> mmo...@google.com> > >> > > >> [mailto: > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> mmo...@google.com<mailto:mmo...@google.com>] > >>On > >> > > >>Behalf > >> > > >> Of > >> > > >> > > > > Michal > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> Mocny > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 1:13 PM > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> To: Michal Mocny > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Cc: Marcel Kinard; dev > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Subject: Re: Independent platform release > >> summary > >> > > >> Thanks > >> > > >> > > > > everyone > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> for participation in what was a long and > >> grueling > >> > > >> > > discussion. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Summary of current proposal: > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> - Cad-ver is dead. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> - Everything moves Sem-ver, with platforms > >> > > >>continuing > >> > > >> from > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> current versions and diverging over time. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> - CLI potentially gets a significant version > >> bump > >> > to > >> > > >> > > showcase > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> this reset (to 5.0 or 10.0, not yet settled) > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> - Pinning default platform versions *will* > >> > continue > >> > > >>for > >> > > >> the > >> > > >> > > > > time > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> being, but it will be trivial to override the > >> > > >>default. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> - Platforms will have CLI <engine> tag > >> equivalent > >> > > >> (unclear > >> > > >> > > > yet > >> > > >> > > > > if > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> as node peerDependency or otherwise) so devs > >> will > >> > > >>know > >> > > >> when > >> > > >> > > > > they > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> need to upgrade/downgrade CLI for non-default > >> > > >>platform > >> > > >> > > > > versions. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> - After a platform update, eventually CLI > >>will > >> > > >>release > >> > > >> to > >> > > >> > > > "pin" > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> the new default, and bump its PATCH/MINOR > >> version > >> > > >> (unless > >> > > >> > > CLI > >> > > >> > > > > had > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> a functional update at same time that > >>requires a > >> > > >>larger > >> > > >> > > > bump). > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> - After you update CLI, your existing > >>projects > >> > don't > >> > > >> > > change & > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> platform upgrades remain explicit, but you > >>will > >> > now > >> > > >>get > >> > > >> > > > > warnings > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> if your installed platforms are older than > >>the > >> CLI > >> > > >> pinned > >> > > >> > > > > > versions. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> - Event MAJOR changes to platforms are not > >>MAJOR > >> > > >> updates to > >> > > >> > > > the > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> CLI, unless there is an actual breaking > >>change > >> to > >> > > >>the > >> > > >> CLI > >> > > >> > > > tool > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> (i.e. new CLI will no longer work with the > >> > currently > >> > > >> > > > installed > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>platform). > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> - Platform and CLI docs have to split out > >>and be > >> > > >> released & > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> versioned alongside each (like plugins). > >>Cross > >> > > >> references > >> > > >> > > > from > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> one to the other will only be needed in a few > >> > > >>places. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Note: The CLI-Platform compatibility story is > >> > > >> functionally > >> > > >> > > no > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >>different than we have today. If you upgrade > >> your > >> > > >>CLI > >> > > >> and > >> > > >> > > > there > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >>is a breaking change, you will have to > >>re-create > >> > > >>your > >> > > >> > > > projects > >> > > >> > > > > or > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >>downgrade CLI again. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Now we plan to be more explicit about it and > >> offer > >> > > >> > > warnings. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Note: There is no concept of a "fancy-pants" > >> > release > >> > > >> other > >> > > >> > > > than > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> to say "latest as of Oct 2014" or something. > >> > > >>Platforms > >> > > >> > > don't > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> have a single common set of functionality, so > >> > CadVer > >> > > >> was > >> > > >> > > > > somewhat > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> misleading already in that sense. We could > >> > > >>introduce a > >> > > >> > > > concept > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> of "API Level" for exec bridge or something > >>for > >> > use > >> > > >>by > >> > > >> > > > plugins, > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>but not sure that has value. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> What wasn't covered that came to mind after > >>the > >> > > >>fact: > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> - When there is an update available for CLI, > >> > should > >> > > >>we > >> > > >> > > give a > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> warning to update? (this is useful, but isn't > >> > common > >> > > >> for > >> > > >> > > npm > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> modules. I think we already do this from > >> plugman > >> > > >>when > >> > > >> you > >> > > >> > > > try > >> > > >> > > > > to > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>publish plugins?). > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Did I miss anything? > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> -Michal > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Michal Mocny > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >><mmo...@chromium.org<mailto: > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> mmo...@chromium.org>> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > External Public link for those that just > >>want > >> to > >> > > >> > > > watch/chat: > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > https://plus.google.com/events/cm4l0vifcig920qkhpn5stqiet4 > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > Hangout link to join the conversation: > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcNwXEyet4Xv_23HiTl > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > 4I > >> K0jsM4NlmGy5kbLsPIW3SnOsUEIQ?authuser=0&hl=en > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > See you in 30 minutes. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Michal > >>Mocny > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > <mmo...@chromium.org > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> <mailto:mmo...@chromium.org>> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> +dev list again > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> Not everyone could make 1pm, not everyone > >> could > >> > > >>make > >> > > >> > > 2pm. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> While I don't think we need a full 2 > >>hours, > >> I'm > >> > > >> hoping > >> > > >> > > to > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> start late and end early -- proving > >> opportunity > >> > > >> people > >> > > >> > > to > >> > > >> > > > > pop > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> in at either time and chime > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> in. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Marcel > >> Kinard > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> <cmarc...@gmail.com<mailto: > >> cmarc...@gmail.com > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> Is the expected duration 1 hour or 2 > >>hours? > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> On Oct 8, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Michal Mocny > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >><mmo...@chromium.org<mailto: > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> mmo...@chromium.org>> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> > So it looks like Today 1-3 EST or > >>Friday > >> 1-3 > >> > > >>EST > >> > > >> are > >> > > >> > > > the > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> > best > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >>times. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> I'm > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> > going to start the ball rolling to do > >>this > >> > > >>TODAY, > >> > > >> but > >> > > >> > > > if > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> > that proves > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> too > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> > short notices we'll move it to Friday. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> > I'll email out links to hangout at > >>12:30 > >> or > >> > > >>so, > >> > > >> and > >> > > >> > > I'm > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> > hoping Steven > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> can > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> > make it before 2pm since he's been most > >> > active > >> > > >> with > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> > releases > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> recently. > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> > -Michal > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >>>------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >> > > >> > > dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >For additional commands, e-mail: > >> > > >> dev-h...@cordova.apache.org > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >> > > >> dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: > >> > > >> dev-h...@cordova.apache.org > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >>>>>?B�KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK > >>>>>KC > >> > > >>>B� > >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >>>>>?�?[��X��ܚX�K??K[XZ[?�??]�][��X��ܚX�P?�ܙ?ݘK�\?X�?K�ܙ�B��܈?Y??]?[ۘ[??�� > >>>>>[X > >> > > >>>[� > >> > > >> > > > > > > >?�??K[XZ[?�??]�Z?[???�ܙ?ݘK�\?X�?K�ܙ�B > >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >-- > >> > > >Victor Adrian Sosa Herrera > >> > > >IBM Software Engineer > >> > > >Guadalajara, Jalisco > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org > >> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cordova.apache.org > >> > > > >> > > >> > >
