Gerday all, Because of the serious nature of this thread, I have produced a 6-page contribution of issues together with recommendations for fixing them in the attachment to this email.
Regards Rob Posener Regards *Rob Posener* 0419 012 627 On 19 March 2016 at 08:31, Joe Bowser <bows...@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't entirely agree with this, since usually we do respond. We don't > just accept things that get thrown at us, which I think is the expectation. > > I think we need to make sure we come to some resolution and actually solve > the problem in a timely manner. We've had both extremes of discussing a > problem to death and cowboy coding, and neither extreme works well. > > As for getting there, I have no idea. Any thoughts? > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2016, 2:23 PM Raghav Katyal <rakat...@microsoft.com> > wrote: > > > I guess responding to JIRA quickly and acting on contributors' PRs could > > be candidates for improvement. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nikhil Khandelwal [mailto:nikhi...@microsoft.com] > > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 11:18 AM > > To: dev@cordova.apache.org > > Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy? > > > > I have been guilty of not spending too much time on stackoverflow > > answering questions. It’s on my TODO list. For those who have, what are > > there general themes of improvement here that will make a huge impact? > > > > I remember Julio summarized this last year [1] and I believe we have made > > progress on a lot of these – docs, PATH setup. Though the impact of our > > docs work is yet to be seen – we just did a big update in terms of > > organization [2]. There’s probably more to be done in terms of docs – > > tutorials, examples for plugin API usage, integration with other tools > like > > gulp, browserify etc. What are other good candidates for improvement? > > > > I found it interesting that our own survey [3] in October had somewhat > > high Net promoter score (NPS). > > > > [1] > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fmail-archives.apache.org%2fmod_mbox%2fcordova-dev%2f201504.mbox%2f%253CetPan.552c9004.643c9869.b8b8%40Kerris-MacBook-Pro.local%253E&data=01%7c01%7crakatyal%40microsoft.com%7c1371f56d47e84d4fb7c808d34f59b0e9%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=dPkMBS3I8mA7uqmezeLaxknf4ujYsmymcco50y9piYg%3d > > [2] > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fcordova.apache.org%2fannouncements%2f2016%2f03%2f03%2fdocs-improvement.html&data=01%7c01%7crakatyal%40microsoft.com%7c1371f56d47e84d4fb7c808d34f59b0e9%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=fYJCb131SFY%2bAA0RS2cxrDyf3m74EAHSGPuhd6oR7xo%3d > > [3] > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fapachecordovabot.typeform.com%2freport%2fBCc5co%2fJQLG&data=01%7c01%7crakatyal%40microsoft.com%7c1371f56d47e84d4fb7c808d34f59b0e9%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eH8cPNyXnPD2ltm%2bKbFfLCq4ifGQeBItD5rAXbgSOhg%3d > > > > On 3/17/16, 5:55 PM, "Carlos Santana" <csantan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >I agree Joe > > > > > >It's easy to create a stackoverflow subscription that emails you once a > > >day. > > > > > >I have one that covers "cordova" "worklight" "mobilefirst" > > > > > >I tried to answer what I can, but reading it daily which is not every > > >day that I get something probably most every other day with a few. > > > > > >At least reading all the new questions gives me a sense on what people > > >are having problems on. > > > > > > > > > > > >On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 8:46 PM Joe Bowser <bows...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> BTW: The last one was a joke. But in all honesty, we should all > > >> spend a bit more time on Stack seeing what's going on there with our > > >> respective products/distributions. > > >> > > >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Joe Bowser <bows...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Ryan J. Salva > > >> > <rsa...@microsoft.com> > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> Keep in mind that the answers are limited to the technologies that > > >> >> Stack Overflow chooses to offer in their list of options. They have > > an "other" > > >> >> option with a text box, but people's answers are largely driven by > > >> >> the checkbox options. > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > So, we somehow pissed off the Stack Overflow guys??? > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> Ryan J. Salva | Principal PM Manager Visual Studio Tools for > > >> >> Apache Cordova rsa...@microsoft.com > > >> >> 425 706 5270 office > > >> >> 206 612 5079 mobile > > >> >> > > >> >> -----Original Message----- > > >> >> From: Joe Bowser [mailto:bows...@gmail.com] > > >> >> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 5:21 PM > > >> >> To: dev <dev@cordova.apache.org> > > >> >> Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy? > > >> >> > > >> >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Ryan J. Salva > > >> >> <rsa...@microsoft.com> > > >> >> wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> > As I told some of my co-workers today: > > >> >> > > > >> >> > If you read the fine print, the actual statistic is “% of > > >> >> > developers who are developing with the language or tech but have > > >> >> > not expressed interest in continuing to do so.” Clearly, it’s > > >> >> > not a good list to be on, but developer behavior also doesn’t > > reflect their stated intent. > > >> >> > NPM Stats show the number of Cordova downloads has actually > > >> >> > doubled since the same time last year. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Again, I don’t think this is a good list to appear on… I’m just > > >> >> > not sure what to make of it given developer behavior. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> I'd rather be on that list instead of not be on any list. I'd be > > >> >> more concerned with the fact that we're on the "Losers" section of > > >> >> the > > >> trending > > >> >> tech with a 7% decrease in the number of questions, which indicate > > >> >> that people either have no problems (not very likely) or are just > > >> >> giving > > >> up. I > > >> >> haven't been answering questions on Stack for a while, mostly > > >> >> because they're using some third party framework like ionic or > > something else. > > >> >> > > >> >> I also find it interesting that people are hating on Cordova, and > > >> >> not PhoneGap, Ionic, Taco or the other distributions. > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Ryan J. Salva | Principal PM Manager Visual Studio Tools for > > >> >> > Apache Cordova rsa...@microsoft.com > > >> >> > 425 706 5270 office > > >> >> > 206 612 5079 mobile > > >> >> > > > >> >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> >> > From: Joe Bowser [mailto:bows...@gmail.com] > > >> >> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 5:08 PM > > >> >> > To: dev <dev@cordova.apache.org> > > >> >> > Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy? > > >> >> > > > >> >> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Jesse <purplecabb...@gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Never trust people's answers when you ask them what they like! > > >> >> > > They are almost always wrong, and will tell you what they > > >> >> > > think they like, or think they will seem cooler if they liked. > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > +1 > > >> >> > > > >> >> > It's interesting that CoffeeScript is on this list and that it > > >> >> > passed Cordova in most dreaded. I also wonder what would happen > > >> >> > if we went on the WordPress mailing list and talked about how > > >> >> > people were so unhappy with WordPress. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > On Mar 17, 2016, at 5:04 AM, julio cesar sanchez > > >> >> > > > <jcesarmob...@gmail.com> > > >> >> > > wrote: > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > 2016 survey is out > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > Most Dreaded technologies: > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > Visual Basic 79.5% > > >> >> > > > WordPress 74.3% > > >> >> > > > Matlab 72.8% > > >> >> > > > Sharepoint 72.1% > > >> >> > > > CoffeeScript 71.0% > > >> >> > > > LAMP 68.7% > > >> >> > > > Cordova 66.9% > > >> >> > > > Salesforce 65.4% > > >> >> > > > Other 61.5% > > >> >> > > > Perl 61.3% > > >> >> > > > SQL Server & SQL 60.3% > > >> >> > > > Objective-C 60.2% > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fsta > > >> >> > > ck > > >> >> > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=overflow.co > > >> >> > > m&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cf296b880892e437222 > > >> >> > > 3b08d34ec812d5%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=w7 > > >> >> > > c9NLd0Zo0MFjcJaXEXjEuljJxh2fs5OGv9FurbcTk%3d > > >> %2fresearch%2fdeveloper-survey-2016%23technology-most-lo > > >> >> > > ve > > >> >> > > d-dreaded-and-wanted&data=01%7c01%7crsalva%40microsoft.com > > >> %7c342aabb > > >> >> > > 95 > > >> >> > > ca84607ba2608d34ec16bfe%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1 > > >> >> > > &sdata =x SvTHrkLQ7Z4Z7CTctZ4rjFxaznfrPKVjqCkMzcUIpk%3d > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> >> > > ------ > > >> >> > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org > > >> >> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cordova.apache.org > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > B KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKCB > > [ X ܚX K K[XZ[ > > ] ][ X ܚX P ܙ ݘK \ X K ܙ B ܈ Y ] [ۘ[ [X[ K[XZ[ > > ] Z [ ܙ ݘK \ X K ܙ B > > >
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