I am not sure if everyone got the attachment. Rob, can I request you to create an issue on https://github.com/cordova/cordova-discuss so that we could start following up on specific issues there ?
From: Robert Posener <rposen...@gmail.com> Reply-To: "dev@cordova.apache.org" <dev@cordova.apache.org> Date: Monday, March 28, 2016 at 10:08 PM To: "dev@cordova.apache.org" <dev@cordova.apache.org> Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy? Gerday all, Because of the serious nature of this thread, I have produced a 6-page contribution of issues together with recommendations for fixing them in the attachment to this email. Regards Rob Posener Regards Rob Posener 0419 012 627 On 19 March 2016 at 08:31, Joe Bowser <bows...@gmail.com<mailto:bows...@gmail.com>> wrote: I don't entirely agree with this, since usually we do respond. We don't just accept things that get thrown at us, which I think is the expectation. I think we need to make sure we come to some resolution and actually solve the problem in a timely manner. We've had both extremes of discussing a problem to death and cowboy coding, and neither extreme works well. As for getting there, I have no idea. Any thoughts? On Fri, Mar 18, 2016, 2:23 PM Raghav Katyal <rakat...@microsoft.com<mailto:rakat...@microsoft.com>> wrote: > I guess responding to JIRA quickly and acting on contributors' PRs could > be candidates for improvement. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nikhil Khandelwal > [mailto:nikhi...@microsoft.com<mailto:nikhi...@microsoft.com>] > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 11:18 AM > To: dev@cordova.apache.org<mailto:dev@cordova.apache.org> > Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy? > > I have been guilty of not spending too much time on stackoverflow > answering questions. It’s on my TODO list. For those who have, what are > there general themes of improvement here that will make a huge impact? > > I remember Julio summarized this last year [1] and I believe we have made > progress on a lot of these – docs, PATH setup. Though the impact of our > docs work is yet to be seen – we just did a big update in terms of > organization [2]. There’s probably more to be done in terms of docs – > tutorials, examples for plugin API usage, integration with other tools like > gulp, browserify etc. What are other good candidates for improvement? > > I found it interesting that our own survey [3] in October had somewhat > high Net promoter score (NPS). > > [1] > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fmail-archives.apache.org%2fmod_mbox%2fcordova-dev%2f201504.mbox%2f%253CetPan.552c9004.643c9869.b8b8%40Kerris-MacBook-Pro.local%253E&data=01%7c01%7crakatyal%40microsoft.com%7c1371f56d47e84d4fb7c808d34f59b0e9%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=dPkMBS3I8mA7uqmezeLaxknf4ujYsmymcco50y9piYg%3d > [2] > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fcordova.apache.org%2fannouncements%2f2016%2f03%2f03%2fdocs-improvement.html&data=01%7c01%7crakatyal%40microsoft.com%7c1371f56d47e84d4fb7c808d34f59b0e9%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=fYJCb131SFY%2bAA0RS2cxrDyf3m74EAHSGPuhd6oR7xo%3d > [3] > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fapachecordovabot.typeform.com%2freport%2fBCc5co%2fJQLG&data=01%7c01%7crakatyal%40microsoft.com%7c1371f56d47e84d4fb7c808d34f59b0e9%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=eH8cPNyXnPD2ltm%2bKbFfLCq4ifGQeBItD5rAXbgSOhg%3d > > On 3/17/16, 5:55 PM, "Carlos Santana" > <csantan...@gmail.com<mailto:csantan...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > >I agree Joe > > > >It's easy to create a stackoverflow subscription that emails you once a > >day. > > > >I have one that covers "cordova" "worklight" "mobilefirst" > > > >I tried to answer what I can, but reading it daily which is not every > >day that I get something probably most every other day with a few. > > > >At least reading all the new questions gives me a sense on what people > >are having problems on. > > > > > > > >On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 8:46 PM Joe Bowser > ><bows...@gmail.com<mailto:bows...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > >> BTW: The last one was a joke. But in all honesty, we should all > >> spend a bit more time on Stack seeing what's going on there with our > >> respective products/distributions. > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Joe Bowser > >> <bows...@gmail.com<mailto:bows...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Ryan J. Salva > >> > <rsa...@microsoft.com<mailto:rsa...@microsoft.com>> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> Keep in mind that the answers are limited to the technologies that > >> >> Stack Overflow chooses to offer in their list of options. They have > an "other" > >> >> option with a text box, but people's answers are largely driven by > >> >> the checkbox options. > >> >> > >> >> > >> > So, we somehow pissed off the Stack Overflow guys??? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Ryan J. Salva | Principal PM Manager Visual Studio Tools for > >> >> Apache Cordova rsa...@microsoft.com<mailto:rsa...@microsoft.com> > >> >> 425 706 5270<tel:425%20706%205270> office > >> >> 206 612 5079<tel:206%20612%205079> mobile > >> >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: Joe Bowser [mailto:bows...@gmail.com<mailto:bows...@gmail.com>] > >> >> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 5:21 PM > >> >> To: dev <dev@cordova.apache.org<mailto:dev@cordova.apache.org>> > >> >> Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy? > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Ryan J. Salva > >> >> <rsa...@microsoft.com<mailto:rsa...@microsoft.com>> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > As I told some of my co-workers today: > >> >> > > >> >> > If you read the fine print, the actual statistic is “% of > >> >> > developers who are developing with the language or tech but have > >> >> > not expressed interest in continuing to do so.” Clearly, it’s > >> >> > not a good list to be on, but developer behavior also doesn’t > reflect their stated intent. > >> >> > NPM Stats show the number of Cordova downloads has actually > >> >> > doubled since the same time last year. > >> >> > > >> >> > Again, I don’t think this is a good list to appear on… I’m just > >> >> > not sure what to make of it given developer behavior. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> I'd rather be on that list instead of not be on any list. I'd be > >> >> more concerned with the fact that we're on the "Losers" section of > >> >> the > >> trending > >> >> tech with a 7% decrease in the number of questions, which indicate > >> >> that people either have no problems (not very likely) or are just > >> >> giving > >> up. I > >> >> haven't been answering questions on Stack for a while, mostly > >> >> because they're using some third party framework like ionic or > something else. > >> >> > >> >> I also find it interesting that people are hating on Cordova, and > >> >> not PhoneGap, Ionic, Taco or the other distributions. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Ryan J. Salva | Principal PM Manager Visual Studio Tools for > >> >> > Apache Cordova rsa...@microsoft.com<mailto:rsa...@microsoft.com> > >> >> > 425 706 5270<tel:425%20706%205270> office > >> >> > 206 612 5079<tel:206%20612%205079> mobile > >> >> > > >> >> > -----Original Message----- > >> >> > From: Joe Bowser [mailto:bows...@gmail.com<mailto:bows...@gmail.com>] > >> >> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 5:08 PM > >> >> > To: dev <dev@cordova.apache.org<mailto:dev@cordova.apache.org>> > >> >> > Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy? > >> >> > > >> >> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Jesse > >> >> > <purplecabb...@gmail.com<mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com>> > >> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > > Never trust people's answers when you ask them what they like! > >> >> > > They are almost always wrong, and will tell you what they > >> >> > > think they like, or think they will seem cooler if they liked. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > +1 > >> >> > > >> >> > It's interesting that CoffeeScript is on this list and that it > >> >> > passed Cordova in most dreaded. 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