On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Andy Wenk <a...@nms.de> wrote: > Hi Noah and Benoit, > > I want to drop a personal note here. I do agree with both your targets and > I am sure that both of you have very much more experience in this project > regarding communication and organization. But what I feel right here is, > that Benoit feels kind of unheard and Noah doesn't want to grow a > discussion but want to make faster decisions what I think is very helpful. > I think in this case here, you are both doing it wrong. Benoit, I think we > discussed the point a lot and my last comment was to ask other's about > their opinion (not willing to start a week long discussion). So we could > come to a quick conclusion if people read the stuff and give a quick > comment (what Nick did). Noah, I think you have been a little too fast. It > would have been great to first explain the fact, that you want to make > faster progress. Your last reply was clear and explaining. Your first > answer to Benoit's comment was also for me a little ... let's say 'forcing'. > > Hey we are not made out of sugar. But let's find a good way to have > further great discussions with the focus to make quick(er) decisions. And > let's keep in mind, that we are not sitting next to each other and that we > have to use this medium email to get our work done. > > I am looking forward to work on the "marketing" stuff soon. > > Cheers > > Andy > > > Andy,
Thanks for your mail. So let it be clear, while I really don't think it's a good idea to have 2 mailing lists, I already agreed to discuss it in a response of your mail. Or to be more accurate, I think we should just launch a formal question about that and collect the yes and no. Then someone will take the responsibility to follow or not this consensus. Noah, I don't think that launching a new ml could be see as a test and we could cancel it at any time is really productive. If the choose of a distinct advocacy mailing-list is done by the community, then the community and people that want to put efforts on it should focus on making it a succes (more than what have already be done in other created mls). I still don't see why you can start to see if it works on @dev anyway. If @dev is show as an "hostile" ml, then there is already a problem. And it should be solved first. You can advocate anything, but if the same people goes your "safe" mailing-list it will be the same. I already elaborated why. Last thing. I really wish we could just talk about advocacy. marketing is just a way to advocate (and mainly for those who are thinking in term of market shares). - benoit
