On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote:
> Benoit, it's not that you're "the bad guy" for disagreeing. The > problem is when you filibuster people until they run out of energy. > This has been a problem for a long time now. > > As we continue to grow CouchDB we need to get out of this mindset that > unanimity is required to proceed on any action. You cannot scale a > decision making process beyond a few people with that model. Our > problems will only *worsen* unless we figure out way to solve this. > > You seem to be implying that my approach (which is not really my > approach, but rather the Apache approach) is silencing or > disempowering people. > > Quite the contrary. > > In fact, I have openly stated that anyone on this mailing list may > raise a formal objection and I will immediately cease my current > action. And I will then move this to a vote so that we can tally > people's opinions. > > Nobody has done that yet. This is the 13th email now. And we're at 2549 > words. > > In fact, what I am doing is empowering. > > Because I'm also stating that anyone else can do this. If you (dear > reader) have a proposal, and you are worried that you're going to be > filibustered off the mailing list, I invite you to share it with the > group. > > And I invite you to solicit clear, unambiguous objections. Do not let > people send email after email with concerns, and nitpicks, and > disquitions on nomenclature. > > Remind people: so far I have not heard an objection. If someone has a > formal objection to make, please make it. > > > I had no response to the reasons I have gave (a "I read you" is not a > response) > > It is a response. I understand your concerns. What else do you want me > to say? There's nothing else to discuss. I still think the mailing > list is a good idea. I want to try it as an experiment, and am happy > to report back to the PMC. > > > Beeing verbose is sometimes more polite than a simple "wtf" . I could be rather short if you prefer, acting accordingly to my culture, but I am not sure it would be constructive. Anyway I did object. I did say why, I still object. The original thread shows I am not the only one to think we don't need another list. It also shows some want it. These are facts. Now you can choose to create or not this maliling-list. - benoit
