On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 20:14 -0500, Peter Kupfer OOo wrote: > G. Roderick Singleton wrote: > > On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 13:14 -0500, Peter Kupfer OOo wrote: > > > >>G. Roderick Singleton wrote: > >>>SO if you want to complain about progress or lack thereof at the doc > >>>project or any of the NL projects, get involved with OpenOffice.org and > >>>not a third party project that seems bent on undermining on-going > >>>efforts. > >> > >>It is fantastic that the documentation project has done these things, > >>but is part of the documentation project's objective to bring down > >>OOoAuthors? > > > > No but I do find the license change annoying. It blocks people using > > documentation.openoffice.org from getting sources for what is supposedly > > public. > > What source can't someone get. They are all available at www.oooauthors.org. >
Another complication we can do without. Finding stuff is hard enough without having to go off-site. Still I can see your point. > > The other thing about the license is that this change has not > > been passed through the CC. > > This seems to be contradictory. On the one hand you are sure to make > very clear that OOoAuthors is not an accepted project, but then you want > it to get approval through OOo's CC. Why would OOoAuthors go through the CC? > No I am saying that to use the OOoAuthors licensing scheme on the doc project has to go through the CC. This is a limitation forced on the project and on how Scott and I have to handle things. > > Why, I have no idea since Daniel is a member > > and could have put it on the agenda so we could all work on the same > > page. > > You are a member of the OOoAuthors list were the discussion took place, > so what page weren't you on? > For heavens sake, let's this straight OOoauthors can use whatever license it wants but if it want the doc project to keep supporting publication then we get into this difficulty. > > Lastly I dislike the manner in which OOoAuthors recruits as it is > > often at the expense of the accepted projects and NLCs. > > We are the only project I have ever seen recruiting. I joined as a > member of the documentation project but didn't really see how to help or > see any signs of activity or work on the list. (I didn't look real hard > to find instructions though.) I just got the impression that the User > Guide was your baby, and that was it. > > On the OOoAuthor's list there is active discussion about work that is > being done and people are friendly and helpful if you have a question. > When you got the web page it is very clear how to help and what needs to > be done. > Yes noticed how friendly they are in today's postings. > I am not trying to knock the doc's project. Just stating that maybe our > recruiting is more successful because the site seems easier to use (at > least 4 people think so.) I am not sure what is wrong with our > recruiting practices. Someone says, "How can I help," Daniel responds > with a way. If other people want to respond as well, then so be it, the > user can decide what to do. > > I have posted to the list saying I need a person to review X. Sometimes > I get a response, other times I don't. I am not trying to /steal/ > anybody from another project, just asking for assistance. Is that wrong? > THat did not happen for me. I posted my doc, was promised a review and the nothing. Perhaps things have changed but now I have other commitments and cannot participate as much as I would like. Maybe later. > >>Nothing in what Jonathon wrote warranted this response. (Not that his > >>post was necessary either mind you, but that seems to be a personal > >>issue between you too.) It is mean-spirited and divisive. What did you > >>possible hope to accomplish from this post other than to start a fight. > > > > The fight as you call it is the problem OOoAuthors has caused with the > > NLCs. > > I am ignorant here, what is the problem? > I guess my best answer is to suggest that you have a look at the NLC archives from Saturday morning on. Some of the issues voices are similar to some of the issue I find a bit much. > >>Why can't you just be happy that there are two groups working hard to > >>produce free documentation? This should be something that pleases you, > >>now makes you angry and bitter. > > > > Angry, yes. Still haven't calmed down and probably won't for a while. > > > >>You have a wealth of knowledge that is beneficial to OOo and you have > >>done a lot of work and have a position of leadership. I just would have > >>thought you would be striving to bring the community together rather > >>than pushing it apart as your last post did. > > > > Since OOoAuthors seems bent on divorcing itself from OOo without help > > from me, I am content to let things go. > > http://documentation.openoffice.org will continue to publish whatever > > OOoauthors deems to submit in pdf. > > I am not sure why you think your help isn't wanted? Come review a > document. The more the merrier. > I wish I could do that. No time. > > So let us review what is going on: > > > > 1. OOoAuthors recruits and behaves as if it is an accepted OOo project > > when in fact it is not and is not even an official incubator project. > > Can you please elaborate on the allowable recruiting practices for > accepted and 3rd party projects, is this the NCAA now? > One thing that causes a knee-jerk response is the implication that OOoauthors is the only place where docs are created. You and I both know this is not so. Users should not always be directed off-site when the same docs are available via the doc project. Contributions are another issue and that takes us back to the licensing. (Starting to sound like a circle) > > 2. Licensing problems that cause problems at OOo. > > If we are causing problems, then I guess don't use our stuff. > NOT USE OOoAuthors DOCS? No that is not the idea at all. Jean Weber will tell you that both Scott and I took great pains and lots of time to post the 1.1.x series. Jean now has commit privs and that has eased the load somewhat but it took a long time to get there. > Thanks for the response, I think this could be a productive discussion. > (Just for clarity that is not sarcasm.) > You are welcome. Sometimes though I feel we are in the middle of an Animaniacs episode. -- PLEASE KEEP MESSAGES ON THE LIST. OpenOffice.org Documentation Co-Lead http://documentation.openoffice.org/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
