I think the appointment of track chair was never done publicly or asked for from the community unless it was self appointed or appointed in shadows!
If I am not on the list and how can I vote the talks ! Silence is the consent but raising objection is needed if seen any time . There is no limit to that in terms of a time frame as you are pressing here . If Javier and Rich gets to decide certain rules and get it approved by silence then we could definitely use lazy consent at any given time to redo those decision. As a volunteer , I would like to share that community need to work together rather than a single benevolent dictator making rules on whims and small timeframes and making excuses on the fact that what others will say or it’s disrespectful for other volunteers or speakers if we change ! In my opinion , this Stone Age practice of deciding things a decade ago need to be revisited I would like to use this time and platform to nominate myself as PMC . Please vote using +1 and -1 if silence then that will counted as consent. Let’s do it now why wait , past is gone why discuss that. On Monday, September 20, 2021, Rich Bowen <rbo...@apache.org> wrote: > > > On 2021/09/19 07:35:33, Muellners ApS <an...@muellners.org> wrote: > > Community for some time, we have debated whether it is right for Track > > Chairs to self approve their own proposals in a public conf. - Apache > Con, > > organised by charitable donations. > > > > For whatever reasons, a single self appointed track chair should not > > approve his own proposals, as this sets up a very dangerous precedent in > > this community. > > > > I strongly object & condemn this type of deterioration of human values in > > our society and this community. > > > > Alternate route is to continue the track by dropping the talks which the > > Track Chair has decided that he/she/they will present themselves. > > This also gives space for newer budding ideas to come forward. > > You were invited, on this list, to participate in the process. You > declined to do so. That thread is here: https://lists.apache.org/threa > d.html/r54be0953f95399fbd28d124c6643a568e70fc9c631bf61b10e78 > 833b%40%3Cdev.fineract.apache.org%3E > > You were also invited to help rate and select the talks, via the CFP > system. You declined that invitation also. > > You also declined to object when Javier was the track chair for this track > last year, and the year before that. > > As for whether track chairs can run their own talks - that was my > decision, not Javier's. And I made that decision more than a decade ago, > and have been consistent with it every year since then. Track chairs are, > by definition, subject matter experts, and excluding them from being > speakers would be self-defeating. So we don't do that. Nobody has objected > to it, because the track chair was, in every case, approved by the project > community. You, specifically, approved Javier as your track chair by your > silence, and by not volunteering for that committee. > > For whatever it's worth, Saransh, the rating of talks for this event *was* > run by an anoymized voting platform (ie, speakers name was not on the > abstract). And everyone who asked to be part of that review process was > granted access to do so. I note that your name is not on that list. > > This entire conversation is profoundly disrespectful to the HUNDREDS of > volunteer hours that went into putting this event together. And having this > conversation on this list, 2 days before the event is to start, would be > laughable if it wasn't so incredibly inappropriate. > > This entire dispute is about a requested change to the schedule that > happened less than a week before the conference starts. *I* am the one who > vetoed that change, not Javier. And I did so because events have deadlines, > and the request was long after an already-extended deadline. > > Join the plann...@apachecon.com list and be part of the solution next > year. Discussing *here* and *now* how ApacheCon should be run is neither > effective nor appropriate. > > -- Saransh Sharma Research Partner Sent from my phone This mail is governed by Muellners® IT policy. The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
