@Leonard
I see your concerns regarding the complexity of migration, but we still
have one year to address them.

@Xintong
I believe it makes sense to keep it in the list and mark it as a stretch
goal if you have concerns
with the  "must have" label.

Best,
Alexander

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 at 11:25, Xintong Song <tonysong...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks all for the feedback.
>
> I've updated the wiki page as discussed, and started another round of VOTE
> [1].
>
> Best,
>
> Xintong
>
>
> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/odftvr5ozyrrl9nl2p3gv4d9fbmt2wvz
>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 2:26 PM Xintong Song <tonysong...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Let me try to summarize the proposed changes on the list.
> >
> >    - "Eager State Declaration" should be nice-to-have
> >    - "Remove SourceFunction / SinkFunction / SinkV1" should be changed to
> >    "Remove SinkV1", and remain must-to-have
> >    - "Remove Queryable State" should be nice-to-have. It will be
> >    deprecated in 1.18, but the hard removal requires community
> discussion and
> >    vote, which may or may not happen in 2.0.
> >    - "Refactor the API modules" should be TBD.
> >    - I also noticed Zhenqiu Huang has already changed "Drop YARN-specific
> >    mutating GET REST endpoints" from TBD to must-have, which I'd like to
> bring
> >    up here for attention.
> >
> > I'd leave this discussion open for the next couple of days. If there are
> > no objections, I'll update the list and start another round of voting.
> >
> > In addition, I'd like to cross-post from the other thread [1] that:
> >
> > I'm not aware of any decision that has already been made by the community
> >> regarding after which 1.x minor release will we ship the 2.0 major
> release.
> >
> >
> >
> >> I also don't think we should push all the deprecation works in 1.18.
> >>
> >
> >
> >> Deciding to deprecate / remove an API definitely deserves thorough
> >> discussions and FLIP, which takes time, and I don't think we should
> >> compromise that for any reason.
> >
> >
> >
> >> Assuming at some point we want to ship the 2.0 release, and there are
> >> some deprecated APIs that we want to remove but have not fulfilled the
> >> migration period required by FLIP-321, I see 3 options to move forward.
> >
> > 1. Not removing the deprecated APIs in 2.0, carrying them until 3.0.
> >
> > 2. Postpone the 2.0 release for another minor release.
> >
> > 3. Considering such APIs as exceptions of FLIP-321.
> >
> >
> >
> >> Trying to deprecate things early is still helpful, because it reduces
> the
> >> number of APIs we need to consider when deciding between the options.
> >> However, that must not come at the price of rush decisions. I'd suggest
> >> developers to design / discuss / vote the breaking changes at their
> pace,
> >> and we evaluate the status and choose between the options later (maybe
> >> around the time releasing 1.19).
> >>
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Xintong
> >
> >
> > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/m0b1v2htd0l7oqo6ypf8lnjyjo817bmm
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 6:33 PM Yuan Mei <yuanmei.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hey Yun and Xintong,
> >>
> >> (Had a quick offline discussion with Yun)
> >> 1. I agree the current implementation of the queryable state is not a
> >> blocker of anything related to disaggregated state management. They are
> >> different things.
> >> 2. On the other hand, "queryable snapshot" is not a completely
> equivalent
> >> substitution of "queryable state".
> >> 3. But in whatever way, I think the way how "queryable state" is
> designed
> >> is not the right way to move forward.
> >> 4. "Deprecating queryable state" is put as a must-have because this
> topic
> >> has been raised many times along the way. It seems to reach an agreement
> >> every time as mentioned by Xingtong, but no one really takes the action.
> >>
> >> I am suggesting:
> >>
> >> 1. Remove "Deprecating queryable state" from the must-have list (since
> it
> >> does not meet the requirements of "must-have")
> >> 2. But I am still hoping we can move things forward, so let's put
> >> the @Deprecated annotation on it
> >> 3. Removal of the code follows a formal community discussion and vote.
> >>
> >> Best
> >> Yuan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 3:40 PM Xintong Song <tonysong...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Thanks for the clarification.
> >> >
> >> > If the list of "Remove deprecated APIs" means, we must remove the code
> >> in
> >> > > Flink-2.0 initial release, I would vote -1 for queryable state
> before
> >> we
> >> > > get an alternative.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > FYI, the removal of queryable state is currently marked as the
> >> `must-have`
> >> > priority.  Of course it's not a final decision and that's exactly why
> we
> >> > are collecting feedback about the list now.
> >> >
> >> > Best,
> >> >
> >> > Xintong
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 3:15 PM Yun Tang <myas...@live.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Hi Xintong,
> >> > >
> >> > > If the current implementation of queryable state would not block the
> >> > > implementation of disaggregated state-backends.
> >> > > I prefer to not removing the implementation until we have a better
> >> > > solution (maybe based on the queryable snapshot) cc @Yuan.
> >> > >
> >> > > If the list of "Remove deprecated APIs" means, we must remove the
> >> code in
> >> > > Flink-2.0 initial release, I would vote -1 for queryable state
> before
> >> we
> >> > > get an alternative.
> >> > > And I will raise the concern in the Flink roadmap discussion.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Best
> >> > > Yun Tang
> >> > > ________________________________
> >> > > From: Xintong Song <tonysong...@gmail.com>
> >> > > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2023 10:07
> >> > > To: dev@flink.apache.org <dev@flink.apache.org>
> >> > > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release 2.0 must-have work items
> >> > >
> >> > > @Yun,
> >> > > I see your point that the ability queryable states trying to provide
> >> is
> >> > > meaningful but the current implementation of the feature is
> >> problematic.
> >> > So
> >> > > what's your opinion on deprecating the current queryable state? Do
> you
> >> > > think we need to wait until there is a new implementation of
> queryable
> >> > > state to remove the current one? Or maybe the current implementation
> >> is
> >> > not
> >> > > well functional anyway and we can treat the removal of it as
> >> > > independent from introducing a new one?
> >> > >
> >> > > However, I don't want to make users feel that this feature cannot be
> >> done
> >> > > > well, and maybe we can redesign this feature.
> >> > > >
> >> > > TBH, the impression that I got from the roadmap[1] is that the
> >> queryable
> >> > > state is retiring and will be replaced by the state processor api.
> If
> >> > this
> >> > > is not the impression we want users to have, you probably also need
> to
> >> > > raise it in the roadmap discussion [2].
> >> > >
> >> > > Best,
> >> > >
> >> > > Xintong
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > [1] https://flink.apache.org/roadmap
> >> > >
> >> > > [2]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread/szdr4ngrfcmo7zko4917393zbqhgw0v5
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 9:53 AM Xintong Song <tonysong...@gmail.com
> >
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > I'd propose to downgrade "Refactor the API modules" to TBD. The
> >> > original
> >> > > > proposal was based on the condition that we are allowed to
> introduce
> >> > > > in-place API breaking changes in release 2.0. As the migration
> >> period
> >> > is
> >> > > > introduced, and we are no longer planning to do in-place changes /
> >> > > > removal for DataStream (and same for APIs in `flink-core`), we
> need
> >> to
> >> > > > re-evaluate whether it's feasible to do things like moving classes
> >> to
> >> > > > different module / packages, turning concrete classes into
> >> interfaces
> >> > on
> >> > > > the API classes.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Best,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Xintong
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 1:10 AM Yun Tang <myas...@live.com>
> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> I agree that we could downgrade "Eager state declaration" to a
> >> > > >> nice-to-have feature.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> For the depreciation of "queryable state", can we just rename to
> >> > > >> deprecate "current implementation of queryable state"? The
> feature
> >> to
> >> > > query
> >> > > >> the internal state is actually very useful for debugging and
> could
> >> > > provide
> >> > > >> more possibility to extend FlinkSQL more like a database.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Just as Yuan replied in the previous email [1], current
> >> implementation
> >> > > of
> >> > > >> queryable state has many problems in design. However, I don't
> want
> >> to
> >> > > make
> >> > > >> users feel that this feature cannot be done well, and maybe we
> can
> >> > > redesign
> >> > > >> this feature. As far as I know, risingwave already support
> >> queryable
> >> > > state
> >> > > >> with better user experience [2].
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> [1]
> >> https://lists.apache.org/thread/9hmwcjb3q5c24pk3qshjvybfqk62v17m
> >> > > >> [2] https://syntaxbug.com/06a3e7c554/
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Best
> >> > > >> Yun Tang
> >> > > >> ________________________________
> >> > > >> From: Xintong Song <tonysong...@gmail.com>
> >> > > >> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 13:51
> >> > > >> To: dev@flink.apache.org <dev@flink.apache.org>
> >> > > >> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release 2.0 must-have work items
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Thanks for the support, Yu.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> We will have the guideline before removing DataSet. We are
> >> currently
> >> > > >> prioritizing works that need to be done before the 1.18 feature
> >> > freeze,
> >> > > >> and
> >> > > >> will soon get back to working on the guidelines. We expect to get
> >> the
> >> > > >> guideline ready before or soon after the 1.18 release, which will
> >> > > >> definitely be before removing DataSet in 2.0.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Best,
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Xintong
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 1:06 PM Yu Li <car...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> > It's great to see the discussion about what we need to improve
> on
> >> > > >> > (completely) switching from DataSet API to DataStream API from
> >> the
> >> > > user
> >> > > >> > perspective. I feel that these improvements would happen faster
> >> > (only)
> >> > > >> when
> >> > > >> > we seriously prepare to remove the DataSet APIs with a target
> >> > release,
> >> > > >> just
> >> > > >> > like what we are doing now. And the same applies to the SinkV1
> >> > related
> >> > > >> > discussions (smile).
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > I support Xintong's opinion on keeping "Remove the DataSet
> APIs"
> >> a
> >> > > >> > must-have item, meantime I support Yuxia's opinion that we
> should
> >> > > >> > explicitly let our users know how to migrate their existing
> >> DataSet
> >> > > API
> >> > > >> > based applications afterwards, meaning that the guideline
> Xintong
> >> > > >> mentioned
> >> > > >> > is a must-have (rather than best efforts) before removing the
> >> > DataSet
> >> > > >> APIs.
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > Best Regards,
> >> > > >> > Yu
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 at 14:00, yuxia <
> luoyu...@alumni.sjtu.edu.cn
> >> >
> >> > > >> wrote:
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > Thanks Xintong for clarification. A guideline to help users
> >> > > migrating
> >> > > >> > from
> >> > > >> > > DataSet to DataStream will definitely be helpful.
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > Best regards,
> >> > > >> > > Yuxia
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > ----- 原始邮件 -----
> >> > > >> > > 发件人: "Xintong Song" <tonysong...@gmail.com>
> >> > > >> > > 收件人: "dev" <dev@flink.apache.org>
> >> > > >> > > 发送时间: 星期三, 2023年 7 月 12日 上午 11:40:12
> >> > > >> > > 主题: Re: [VOTE] Release 2.0 must-have work items
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > @Yuxia,
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > We are aware of the issue that you mentioned. Actually, I
> don't
> >> > > think
> >> > > >> the
> >> > > >> > > DataStream API can cover everything in the DataSet API in
> >> exactly
> >> > > the
> >> > > >> > same
> >> > > >> > > way, because the fundamental model, concepts and primitives
> of
> >> the
> >> > > two
> >> > > >> > sets
> >> > > >> > > of APIs are completely different. Many of the DataSet APIs,
> >> > > especially
> >> > > >> > > those accessing the full data set at once, do not fit in the
> >> > > >> DataStream
> >> > > >> > > concepts at all. I think what's important is that users can
> >> > achieve
> >> > > >> the
> >> > > >> > > same function, even if they may need to code in a different
> >> way.
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > We have gone through all the existing DataSet APIs, and
> >> > categorized
> >> > > >> them
> >> > > >> > > into 3 kinds:
> >> > > >> > > - APIs that are well supported by DataStream API as is. E.g.,
> >> map,
> >> > > >> reduce
> >> > > >> > > on grouped dataset, etc.
> >> > > >> > > - APIs that can be achieved by DataStream API as is, but
> with a
> >> > > price
> >> > > >> > > (programming complexity, or computation efficiency). E.g.,
> >> reduce
> >> > on
> >> > > >> full
> >> > > >> > > dataset, sort partition, etc. Admittedly, there is room for
> >> > > >> improvement
> >> > > >> > on
> >> > > >> > > these. We may keep improving these for the DataStream API, or
> >> we
> >> > can
> >> > > >> > > concentrate on supporting them better in the new
> >> ProcessFunction
> >> > > API.
> >> > > >> > > Either way, I don't think we should block the retiring of
> >> DataSet
> >> > > API
> >> > > >> on
> >> > > >> > > them.
> >> > > >> > > - There are also a few APIs that cannot be supported by the
> >> > > DataStream
> >> > > >> > API
> >> > > >> > > as is, unless users write their custom operators from the
> >> ground
> >> > up.
> >> > > >> Only
> >> > > >> > > left/rightOuterJoin and combineGroup fall into this
> category. I
> >> > > think
> >> > > >> > > combinedGroup is probably not a problem, because this is more
> >> > like a
> >> > > >> > > variant of reduceGroup that allows the framework to execute
> >> more
> >> > > >> > > efficiently. As for the outer joins, depending on how badly
> >> this
> >> > is
> >> > > >> > needed,
> >> > > >> > > it can be supported by emitting the non-joined entries upon
> >> > > >> triggering a
> >> > > >> > > window join.
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > We are also planning to draft a guideline to help users
> >> migrating
> >> > > from
> >> > > >> > > DataSet to DataStream, which should demonstrate how users can
> >> > > achieve
> >> > > >> > > things like sort-partition with DataStream API.
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > Last but not least, I'd like to point out that the decision
> to
> >> > > >> deprecate
> >> > > >> > > and eventually remove the DataSet API was approved in
> FLIP-131,
> >> > and
> >> > > >> all
> >> > > >> > the
> >> > > >> > > prerequisites mentioned in the FLIP have been completed.
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > Best,
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > Xintong
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > [1]
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >>
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=158866741
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 10:20 AM Jingsong Li <
> >> > > jingsongl...@gmail.com>
> >> > > >> > > wrote:
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > > +1 to Leonard and Galen and Jing.
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > About Source and Sink.
> >> > > >> > > > We're still missing quite a bit of work, including
> >> > functionality,
> >> > > >> > > > including ease of use, including bug fixes, and I'm not
> sure
> >> > we'll
> >> > > >> be
> >> > > >> > > > completely done by 2.0.
> >> > > >> > > > Until that's done, we won't be in a position to clean up
> the
> >> old
> >> > > >> APIs.
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > Best,
> >> > > >> > > > Jingsong
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 9:41 AM yuxia <
> >> > > luoyu...@alumni.sjtu.edu.cn>
> >> > > >> > > wrote:
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > Hi,Xintong.
> >> > > >> > > > > Sorry to disturb the voting. I just found an email[1]
> about
> >> > > >> DataSet
> >> > > >> > API
> >> > > >> > > > from flink-user-zh channel. And I think it's not just a
> >> single
> >> > > case
> >> > > >> > > > according to my observation.
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > Remove DataSet is a must have item in release-2.0. But as
> >> the
> >> > > user
> >> > > >> > > email
> >> > > >> > > > said, if we remove DataSet, how users can implement
> >> > > >> Sort/PartitionBy,
> >> > > >> > etc
> >> > > >> > > > as they did with DataSet?
> >> > > >> > > > > Do we will also provide similar api in datastream or some
> >> > other
> >> > > >> thing
> >> > > >> > > > before we remove DataSet?
> >> > > >> > > > > Btw, as far as I see, with regarding to replcaing DataSet
> >> with
> >> > > >> > > > Datastream, Datastream are missing many API. I think it may
> >> well
> >> > > >> take
> >> > > >> > > much
> >> > > >> > > > effort to fully cover the missing api.
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > [1]
> >> > > >> https://lists.apache.org/thread/syjmt8f74gh8ok3z4lhgt95zl4dzn168
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > Best regards,
> >> > > >> > > > > Yuxia
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > ----- 原始邮件 -----
> >> > > >> > > > > 发件人: "Jing Ge" <j...@ververica.com.INVALID>
> >> > > >> > > > > 收件人: "dev" <dev@flink.apache.org>
> >> > > >> > > > > 发送时间: 星期三, 2023年 7 月 12日 上午 1:23:40
> >> > > >> > > > > 主题: Re: [VOTE] Release 2.0 must-have work items
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > agree with what Leonard said. There are actually more
> >> issues
> >> > wrt
> >> > > >> the
> >> > > >> > > new
> >> > > >> > > > > Source and SinkV2[1]
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > Speaking of must-have vs nice-to-have, I think it depends
> >> on
> >> > the
> >> > > >> > > > priority.
> >> > > >> > > > > If removing them has higher priority, we should keep
> >> related
> >> > > >> tasks as
> >> > > >> > > > > must-have and make sure enough effort will be put to
> solve
> >> > those
> >> > > >> > issues
> >> > > >> > > > and
> >> > > >> > > > > therefore be able to remove those APIs.
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > Best regards,
> >> > > >> > > > > Jing
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > [1]
> >> > > >> https://lists.apache.org/thread/90qc9nrlzf0vbvg92klzp9ftxxc43nbk
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 10:26 AM Leonard Xu <
> >> > xbjt...@gmail.com>
> >> > > >> > wrote:
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > Thanks Xintong for driving this great work! But I’ve to
> >> give
> >> > > my
> >> > > >> > > > > > -1(binding) here:
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > -1 to mark "deprecat
> SourceFunction/SinkFunction/Sinkv1"
> >> > item
> >> > > as
> >> > > >> > must
> >> > > >> > > > to
> >> > > >> > > > > > have for release 2.0.
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > I do a lot of connector work in the community, and I
> have
> >> > two
> >> > > >> > > insights
> >> > > >> > > > > > from past experience:
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > 1. Many developers reported that it is very difficult
> to
> >> > > migrate
> >> > > >> > from
> >> > > >> > > > > > SourceFunction to new Source [1]. The migration of
> >> existing
> >> > > >> > > conenctors
> >> > > >> > > > > > after deprecated SourceFunction is very difficult. Some
> >> > > >> developers
> >> > > >> > > > (Flavio
> >> > > >> > > > > > Pompermaier) reported that they gave up the migration
> >> > because
> >> > > it
> >> > > >> > was
> >> > > >> > > > too
> >> > > >> > > > > > complicated. I believe it's not a few cases. This means
> >> that
> >> > > >> > > > deprecating
> >> > > >> > > > > > SourceFunction related interfaces require community
> >> > > >> contributors to
> >> > > >> > > > reduce
> >> > > >> > > > > > the migration cost before starting the migration work.
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > 2. IIRC, the function of SinkV2 cannot currently cover
> >> > > >> SinkFunction
> >> > > >> > > as
> >> > > >> > > > > > described in FLIP-287[2], it means the migration path
> >> after
> >> > > >> > deprecate
> >> > > >> > > > > > SinkFunction/Sinkv1 does not exist, thus we cannot mark
> >> the
> >> > > >> related
> >> > > >> > > > > > interfaces of sinkfunction/sinkv1  as deprecated in
> 1.18.
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > Based on these two cognitions, I think we should not
> mark
> >> > > these
> >> > > >> > > > interfaces
> >> > > >> > > > > > as must to have in 2.0. Maintaining the two sets of
> >> > > source/sink
> >> > > >> > > > interfaces
> >> > > >> > > > > > is not a concern for me, users can choose the interface
> >> to
> >> > > >> > implement
> >> > > >> > > > > > according to their energy and needs.
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > Btw, some work items in 2.0 are marked as must to have,
> >> but
> >> > no
> >> > > >> > > > contributor
> >> > > >> > > > > > has claimed them yet. I think this is a risk and hope
> the
> >> > > >> Release
> >> > > >> > > > Managers
> >> > > >> > > > > > could pay attention to it.
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > Thank you all RMs for your work, sorry again for
> >> > interrupting
> >> > > >> the
> >> > > >> > > vote
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > Best,
> >> > > >> > > > > > Leonard
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > [1]
> >> > > >> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread/sqq26s9rorynr4vx4nhxz3fmmxpgtdqp
> >> > > >> > > > > > [2]
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >>
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=240880853
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > > On Jul 11, 2023, at 4:11 PM, Yuan Mei <
> >> > > yuanmei.w...@gmail.com
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > >> > > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > > As a second thought, I think "Eager State
> Declaration"
> >> is
> >> > > >> > probably
> >> > > >> > > > not a
> >> > > >> > > > > > > must-have.
> >> > > >> > > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > > I was originally thinking it is a prerequisite for
> >> "state
> >> > > >> > querying
> >> > > >> > > > for
> >> > > >> > > > > > > disaggregated state management".
> >> > > >> > > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > > Since disaggregated state management itself is not a
> >> > > >> must-have,
> >> > > >> > > > "Eager
> >> > > >> > > > > > > State Declaration" is not as well. We can downgrade
> it
> >> to
> >> > > >> "nice
> >> > > >> > to
> >> > > >> > > > have"
> >> > > >> > > > > > if
> >> > > >> > > > > > > no objection.
> >> > > >> > > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > > Best
> >> > > >> > > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > > Yuan
> >> > > >> > > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 7:02 PM Jing Ge
> >> > > >> > <j...@ververica.com.invalid
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > >> > > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > >> +1
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > >> > > > > > >> On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 12:52 PM Yu Li <
> >> car...@gmail.com
> >> > >
> >> > > >> > wrote:
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>> +1 (binding)
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>> Thanks for driving this and great to see us moving
> >> > > forward.
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>> Best Regards,
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>> Yu
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>> On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 at 11:59, Feng Wang <
> >> > > >> wangfeng...@gmail.com
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>> +1
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>> Thanks for driving this, looking forward to the
> next
> >> > > stage
> >> > > >> of
> >> > > >> > > > flink.
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>>
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>> On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 5:31 PM Xintong Song <
> >> > > >> > > > tonysong...@gmail.com>
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>> wrote:
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>>
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>>> Hi all,
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>>> I'd like to start the VOTE for the must-have work
> >> > items
> >> > > >> for
> >> > > >> > > > release
> >> > > >> > > > > > >> 2.0
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>>> [1]. The corresponding discussion thread is [2].
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>>> Please note that once the vote is approved, any
> >> > changes
> >> > > to
> >> > > >> > the
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>> must-have
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>>> items (adding / removing must-have items,
> changing
> >> the
> >> > > >> > > priority)
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>> requires
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>>> another vote. Assigning contributors / reviewers,
> >> > > updating
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>> descriptions /
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>>> progress, changes to nice-to-have items do not
> >> require
> >> > > >> > another
> >> > > >> > > > vote.
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>>> The vote will be open until at least July 12,
> >> > following
> >> > > >> the
> >> > > >> > > > consensus
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>>> voting process. Votes of PMC members are binding.
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>>> Best,
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>>> Xintong
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>>> [1]
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/2.0+Release
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>>> [2]
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > https://lists.apache.org/thread/l3dkdypyrovd3txzodn07lgdwtwvhgk4
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>>
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>>
> >> > > >> > > > > > >>
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
>

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