Hi David,

Thanks for the KIP, it looks like a useful addition.

You propose adding a new method removeMembersFromConsumerGroup(String,
String, RemoveMembersFromConsumerGroupOptions) to Admin.
Have you considered keeping the existing method and instead add the
reason to RemoveMembersFromConsumerGroupOptions?

Thanks,
Mickael

On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:48 PM Luke Chen <show...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi David,
> Thanks for the update.
>
> Just voted! :)
>
> Thank you.
> Luke
>
> On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 8:42 PM David Jacot <dja...@confluent.io.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Luke,
> >
> > Good point. I have renamed the KIP.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > David
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 4:28 AM Luke Chen <show...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi David,
> > > Sorry for the late reply.
> > > Thanks for the update. It looks good now.
> > > I love the idea to add joinGroup request reason, as well as the
> > > `enforceRebalance` API!
> > >
> > > One minor comment, since we extended the original KIP from leaveGroup to
> > > joinGroup request, Could you please update the KIP title and also the
> > > motivation section?
> > > It makes the KIP much clearer for future reference.
> > >
> > > Otherwise, LGTM!
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > > Luke
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 11:23 PM David Jacot <dja...@confluent.io.invalid
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have updated the KIP.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:00 PM David Jacot <dja...@confluent.io>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you all for your feedback. Let me address all your points
> > below.
> > > > >
> > > > > Luke,
> > > > > 1. I use a tag field so bumping the request version is not
> > necessary. In
> > > > > this case, using a tag field does not seem to be the best approach so
> > > > > I will use a regular one and bump the version.
> > > > > 2. Sounds good. I will fix that comment.
> > > > > 3. That is a good question. My intent was to avoid getting weird or
> > > > cryptic
> > > > > reasons logged on the broker so I thought that having a standard one
> > is
> > > > > better. As Sophie suggested something similar for the
> > `enforceRebalance`
> > > > > API, we could do it for both, I suppose.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ismael,
> > > > > 1. That's a good point. I chose to use a tag field to avoid having to
> > > > bump
> > > > > the request version. In this particular case, it seems that bumping
> > the
> > > > > version does not cost much so it is perhaps better. I will change
> > this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sophie,
> > > > > 1. That's a pretty good idea, thanks. Let me update the KIP to
> > include
> > > > > a reason in the JoinGroup request. Regarding the Consumer API, do
> > > > > you think that there is value for KStreams to expose the possibility
> > to
> > > > > provide a reason? Otherwise, it might be better to use a default
> > > > > reason in this case.
> > > > > 2. I don't fully get your point about providing the reason to the
> > group
> > > > > leader assignor on the client. Do you think that we should propagate
> > > > > it to all the consumers or to the leader as well? The user usually
> > has
> > > > > access to all its client logs so I am not sure that it is really
> > > > necessary.
> > > > > Could you elaborate?
> > > > >
> > > > > I will update the KIP soon.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > David
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 6:00 AM Sophie Blee-Goldman
> > > > > <sop...@confluent.io.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This sounds great, thanks David.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One thought: what do you think about doing something similar for
> > the
> > > > > > JoinGroup request?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When you only have broker logs and not client logs, it's somewhere
> > > > between
> > > > > > challenging and
> > > > > > impossible to determine the reason for a rebalance that was
> > triggered
> > > > > > explicitly by the client or
> > > > > > even the user. For example, when a followup rebalance is requested
> > to
> > > > > > assign the revoked
> > > > > > partitions after a cooperative rebalance. Or any of the many
> > reasons we
> > > > > > trigger a rebalance
> > > > > > in Kafka Streams, via the #enforceRebalance API.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Perhaps we could add a parameter to that method as such:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > public void enforceRebalance(final String reason);
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Then we can add that to the JoinGroup request/ConsumerProtocol. Not
> > > > only
> > > > > > would it help to
> > > > > > log this reason on the broker side, the information about who
> > > > requested the
> > > > > > rebalance and why
> > > > > > could be extremely useful to have available to the group
> > > > leader/partition
> > > > > > assignor on the client
> > > > > > side.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > Sophie
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 10:05 AM Ismael Juma <ism...@juma.me.uk>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks David, this is a worthwhile improvement. Quick question,
> > why
> > > > did we
> > > > > > > pick a tagged field here?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ismael
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2021, 8:32 AM David Jacot
> > > > <dja...@confluent.io.invalid>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi folks,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'd like to discuss this very small KIP which proposes to add a
> > > > reason
> > > > > > > > field
> > > > > > > > to the LeaveGroupRequest in order to let the broker know why a
> > > > member
> > > > > > > > left the group. This would be really handy for administrators.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > KIP: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/eYyqCw
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > David
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> >

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