the one thing about the JAXB running as version 0 is that (at least
when running with equinox it used to be that way) what ever version
you used or provided by yourself it still wouldn't work out since
always the one with 0 was used :(


2011/8/30 Andreas Pieber <anpie...@gmail.com>:
> The entire problem is that you still have to manipulate the jre.properties.
> The problem here is because of double-exports/imports. I'm curious if
> setting the xml exports to 2.1 fixes the problem. I'll give it a shot
> tomorrow
>
> Kind regards,
> Andreas
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 14:14, Freeman Fang <freeman.f...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> First of all, the default jre export package version is 0, so if customer
>> bundle import such package but not specify the version, then it always work,
>> that's why I said we generally needn't specify the jre export package
>> version.
>>
>> And the main reason smx doesn't use the jaxb/jaxws api from jdk is that the
>> SPI mechanism doesn't work in OSGi container, it can't load the proper
>> implementation from bundles.
>> So smx wrapped specs bundle(like JAXB/JAXWS) use OSGiLocator to make it
>>  working in OSGi container.
>> So if you wanna cxf stuff work in KARAF, change the jre.properties only
>> isn't enough, we need some features anyway, actually those features are
>> already provided by both cxf and servicemix,  I don't think we need reinvent
>> the wheel in karaf.
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Freeman
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2011-8-30, at 下午7:48, Achim Nierbeck wrote:
>>
>>  Just to get this right,
>>>
>>> for JAXB if someone needs a JAXB 2.2. he needs to provide it by
>>> himself (or we can offer some nice features for it +1)
>>> but for the included jre JAXB which causes all kinds of issues if you
>>> even provide your own JAXB 2.2. I think it's a good solution
>>> to set the version to 2.1.0. This way it's possible to provide another
>>> JAXB version in the first place.
>>> Or am I totally wrong here?
>>>
>>> regards, Achim
>>>
>>> 2011/8/30 Freeman Fang <freeman.f...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> I don't think hack jre.properties can support jaxb2.2 and create a
>>>> default
>>>> feature which contain smx jaxb bundles should be the solution.
>>>>
>>>> But I have little concern that this will make karaf more like smx and
>>>> this
>>>> actually is against our initial idea that keep karaf as a simple general
>>>> container.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Freeman
>>>>
>>>> On 2011-8-30, at 下午7:32, Andreas Pieber wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 13:17, Achim Nierbeck
>>>>> <bcanh...@googlemail.com>**wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  hmm, OK,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> does it really prevent us from actually fixing the version of JAXB in
>>>>>> the jre property in conjunction with what Andreas just suggested?
>>>>>> I'd really favor changing the jre properties (I actually did that on a
>>>>>> project fixing my issues with jaxb this way) and providing functional
>>>>>> features
>>>>>> out of the box for JAXB since this is still a highly used framework of
>>>>>> lots of developers. I really want this to work right away.
>>>>>> I myself spent already to much time haunting those nightmares ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I'm completely with Achim here (had the same nightmares). Still, if it
>>>>> is
>>>>> 2.2 we're looking for and jdk6 comes with 2.1 using a (default) feature
>>>>> or
>>>>> a
>>>>> default bundle might be the better solution?
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>> Andreas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> regards, Achim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2011/8/30 Andreas Pieber <anpie...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Although it is a little bit otherwise defined in the JRE we may be
>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> provide features for those alternatives and completely remove them
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> jre.properties? I think this would help users a lot at various
>>>>>>> situations
>>>>>>> and als remove some of the hacks from SMX :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>> Andreas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 09:37, Freeman Fang <freeman.f...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not sure we should do it for JAXB(and also jaxws). As in most case
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> jaxb/jaxws api(as in JDK6 it use jaxws/jaxb 2.1 but in most case we
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> use
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2.2, and also the SPI mechanism of jaxws doesn't work in OSGi
>>>>>>>> container)
>>>>>>>> from jdk isn't much useful and so in Servicemix we shipped jaxb
>>>>>>>> api/impl
>>>>>>>> bundle and comment it out from jdk, so if customer need use jaxb in
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> karaf,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> he need do a bit hack anyway.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best Regards
>>>>>>>> Freeman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2011-8-30, at 下午3:25, Achim Nierbeck wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I suggest we do this also for the jaxb bundles since those are a
>>>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> pain
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> regards, Achim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2011/8/30 Freeman Fang <freeman.f...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This commit[1] also do same for JDK1.7.
>>>>>>>>>> I'd say other JDK API are quite stable but javax.annotation is a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> little
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>>>> different so several other bundles(such as activemq, you can get
>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>> details from [2]) which are popularly used in KARAF are explicitly
>>>>>>>>>> specify
>>>>>>>>>> javax.annotation import version as 1.1, and since JDK6, the
>>>>>>>>>> javax.annotation
>>>>>>>>>> is 1.1 compatible, so in this case, if we don't provide this
>>>>>>>>>> change,
>>>>>>>>>> customer need hack the jre.properties themselves.
>>>>>>>>>> But for other jdk packages, 3rd party bundle usually just import
>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>> specified version, so the default export from system bundle 0
>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> fine
>>>>>>>>>> IMHO.
>>>>>>>>>> [1]http://svn.apache.org/****viewvc?rev=1162478&view=rev<http://svn.apache.org/**viewvc?rev=1162478&view=rev>
>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?**rev=1162478&view=rev<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1162478&view=rev>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [2]https://issues.apache.org/****jira/browse/KARAF-835<https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/KARAF-835>
>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/KARAF-835<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KARAF-835>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best Regards
>>>>>>>>>> Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2011-8-30, at 下午12:30, Andreas Pieber wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm a little bit curious because none of the other exported
>>>>>>>>>> packages
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> has
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> version; I'm basically not against adding versions here, but
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> shouldn't
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>> the same for 1.5 and 1.7? Is there any way we can easily lookup
>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>> versions are used by which JRE?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Andreas
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 05:46, <ff...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Author: ffang
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun Aug 28 03:46:53 2011
>>>>>>>>>>>> New Revision: 1162476
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> URL: 
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?****rev=1162476&view=rev<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?**rev=1162476&view=rev>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?**rev=1162476&view=rev<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1162476&view=rev>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Log:
>>>>>>>>>>>> [KARAF-840]specify javax.annotation packages version to 1.1.0 for
>>>>>>>>>>>> jre-1.6
>>>>>>>>>>>> as Annotation 1.1 Spec is used for Java 6
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Modified:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> karaf/branches/karaf-2.2.x/****assemblies/apache-karaf/src/**
>>>>>>>>>>>> main/filtered-resources/etc/****jre.properties
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Modified:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> karaf/branches/karaf-2.2.x/****assemblies/apache-karaf/src/**
>>>>>>>>>>>> main/filtered-resources/etc/****jre.properties
>>>>>>>>>>>> URL:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/****karaf/branches/karaf-2.2.x/**<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/**karaf/branches/karaf-2.2.x/**>
>>>>>>>>>>>> assemblies/apache-karaf/src/****main/filtered-resources/etc/**
>>>>>>>>>>>> jre.properties?rev=1162476&r1=**1162475&r2=1162476&**view=diff<
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/**karaf/branches/karaf-2.2.x/**
>>>>>> assemblies/apache-karaf/src/**main/filtered-resources/etc/**
>>>>>> jre.properties?rev=1162476&r1=**1162475&r2=1162476&view=diff<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/karaf/branches/karaf-2.2.x/assemblies/apache-karaf/src/main/filtered-resources/etc/jre.properties?rev=1162476&r1=1162475&r2=1162476&view=diff>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ==============================****============================**
>>>>>>>>>>>> ==**
>>>>>>>>>>>> ==================
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> karaf/branches/karaf-2.2.x/****assemblies/apache-karaf/src/**
>>>>>>>>>>>> main/filtered-resources/etc/****jre.properties
>>>>>>>>>>>> (original)
>>>>>>>>>>>> +++
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> karaf/branches/karaf-2.2.x/****assemblies/apache-karaf/src/**
>>>>>>>>>>>> main/filtered-resources/etc/****jre.properties
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sun Aug 28 03:46:53 2011
>>>>>>>>>>>> @@ -153,8 +153,8 @@ jre-1.6= \
>>>>>>>>>>>> javax.accessibility, \
>>>>>>>>>>>> javax.activation, \
>>>>>>>>>>>> javax.activity, \
>>>>>>>>>>>> - javax.annotation, \
>>>>>>>>>>>> - javax.annotation.processing, \
>>>>>>>>>>>> + javax.annotation;version="1.1"****, \
>>>>>>>>>>>> + javax.annotation.processing;****version="1.1", \
>>>>>>>>>>>> javax.crypto, \
>>>>>>>>>>>> javax.crypto.interfaces, \
>>>>>>>>>>>> javax.crypto.spec, \
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  ------------------------------****---------------
>>>>>>>>>> Freeman Fang
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>>> Email:ff...@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: freemanfang
>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://freemanfang.blogspot.****com<
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://freemanfang.blogspot.**com <http://freemanfang.blogspot.com>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> *Achim Nierbeck*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC
>>>>>>>>> OPS4J Pax Web 
>>>>>>>>> <http://wiki.ops4j.org/****display/paxweb/Pax+Web/<http://wiki.ops4j.org/**display/paxweb/Pax+Web/>
>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/**paxweb/Pax+Web/<http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Committer & Project Lead
>>>>>>>>> blog 
>>>>>>>>> <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/****<http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/**>
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------****---------------
>>>>>>>> Freeman Fang
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>> Email:ff...@fusesource.com
>>>>>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>>>>>> Twitter: freemanfang
>>>>>>>> Blog: http://freemanfang.blogspot.****com <
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://freemanfang.blogspot.**com <http://freemanfang.blogspot.com>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *Achim Nierbeck*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC
>>>>>> OPS4J Pax Web 
>>>>>> <http://wiki.ops4j.org/**display/paxweb/Pax+Web/<http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> Committer & Project Lead
>>>>>> blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/**>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------**---------------
>>>> Freeman Fang
>>>>
>>>> FuseSource
>>>> Email:ff...@fusesource.com
>>>> Web: fusesource.com
>>>> Twitter: freemanfang
>>>> Blog: http://freemanfang.blogspot.**com<http://freemanfang.blogspot.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Achim Nierbeck*
>>>
>>>
>>> Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC
>>> OPS4J Pax Web 
>>> <http://wiki.ops4j.org/**display/paxweb/Pax+Web/<http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/>
>>> >
>>> Committer & Project Lead
>>> blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/**>
>>>
>>
>> ------------------------------**---------------
>>
>> Freeman Fang
>>
>> FuseSource
>> Email:ff...@fusesource.com
>> Web: fusesource.com
>> Twitter: freemanfang
>> Blog: http://freemanfang.blogspot.**com <http://freemanfang.blogspot.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>



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