Benson, I like your idea.

I think your idea can be achieved as a codec, one that wraps another codec
that establishes the on-disk format.  By default the wrapped codec can be
Lucene's default codec.  I think, if implemented, this would be a change to
DPF instead of an additional DPF-variant codec.

~ David


On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Robert Muir <rcm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> My takeaway from the prior conversation was that various people didn't
> >> entirely believe that I'd seen a dramatic improvement in query perfo
> >> using D-P-F, and so would not smile upon a patch intended to liberate
> >> D-P-F from codecs. It could be that the effect I saw has to do with
> >> the fact that our system depends on hitting and scoring 50% of the
> >> documents in an index with a lot of documents.
> >>
> >
> > I dont understand the word "liberate" here. why is it such a problem
> > that this is a codec?
>
>  I don't want to have to declare my intentions at the time I create
> the index. I don't want to have to use D-P-F for all readers all the
> time. Because I want to be able to decide to open up an index with an
> arbitrary on-disk format and get the in-memory cache behavior of
> D-P-F. Thus 'liberate' -- split the question of 'keep a copy in
> memory' from the choice of the on-disk format.
>
>
> >
> > i do not think we should give it any more status than that, it wastes
> > too much ram.
>
> It didn't seem like 'waste' when it solved a big practical for us. We
> had an application that was too slow, and had plenty of RAM available,
> and we were able to trade space for time by applying D-P-F.
>
> Maybe I'm going about this backwards; if I can come up with a small,
> inconspicuous proposed change that does what I want, there won't be
> any disagreement.
>
>
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