I got a question this morning about some Jetty CVEs that look to be fixed with Jetty 9.4.39, and there’s an issue marked as a Blocker (with no version) to upgrade to that version. Is there time to do that for 8.9? Or is it too high risk or would take too long? https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-15316
Sorry, I’m way behind on mailing lists and didn’t see the branch had been cut already! Cassandra On Jun 1, 2021, 3:54 PM -0500, Jan Høydahl <[email protected]>, wrote: > Let's not hold up the release due to this incomplete PR. It obviously needs > more time for completion and there is always a new train to catch. > As far as I understand, Circuit breakers are pluggable, so anyone can > configure their own implementation in the meantime? > > Jan > > > 1. jun. 2021 kl. 22:13 skrev Atri Sharma <[email protected]>: > > > > I appreciate you fixing this and adding the new circuit breaker and look > > forward to having it in the hands of our users soon. > > > > However, the current state of PR, with significant API churn for a single > > change and overlapping code is not yet ready. > > > > If this is too much of a rework, I am happy to take the existing PR and do > > the changes, post which I believe the PR should be close to completion. > > > > Let me know if you need me to help, but unfortunately, the two objections I > > raised are blockers, atleast until we establish that they cannot be done > > away with. > > > > > > > On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, 01:37 Walter Underwood, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I would appreciate a second opinion on the pull request. Substantive > > > > issues have been resolved. At this point, the discussion is about code > > > > style and coding standards. I don’t have detailed knowledge about the > > > > Solr coding style, so I’d appreciate another set of eyes. > > > > > > > > The current behavior is buggy, and we are not able to use it at Chegg. > > > > The patch fixes those bugs. > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/solr/pull/96 > > > > > > > > wunder > > > > Walter Underwood > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > > > > > > > > On Jun 1, 2021, at 12:27 PM, Walter Underwood <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I answered the comments. I don’t see those answers on github, oddly. > > > > > > > > > > I’ll re-answer them. Most of your questions are already answered in > > > > > the discussion on Jira. > > > > > > > > > > I central issues is that load average is not always a CPU measure. In > > > > > some systems, it includes threads in iowait. So it is potentially > > > > > misleading to label it as CPU and document it as CPU. The updated > > > > > documentation makes that clear, so that should have already answered > > > > > your comment. that is why it is important to rename the existing > > > > > circuit breaker. > > > > > > > > > > wunder > > > > > Walter Underwood > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 1, 2021, at 12:20 PM, Atri Sharma <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I tool a look at the PR and gave comments for SOLR-15056, and the > > > > > > last I checked, my comments were not addressed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, 00:31 Walter Underwood, > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Could someone else please take a look at SOLR-15056? This is a > > > > > > > > small blast radius change that improves the circuit breakers. > > > > > > > > It includes unit tests and documentation and has been ready > > > > > > > > since January. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/solr/pull/96/files > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-15056 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wunder > > > > > > > > Walter Underwood > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 1, 2021, at 11:53 AM, Mayya Sharipova > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the update, Houston. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've started the release process, the branch 8.9 is now cut. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 11:21 AM Houston Putman > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Mayya, SOLR-14978 is now in 8.x. So no longer a blocker. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Houston > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 11:42 PM David Smiley > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > SOLR-15412 is rather serious as the title suggests. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't been tracking the progress so if it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > already resolved, that's unknown to me and isn't > > > > > > > > > > > > > reflected in JIRA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ David Smiley > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache Lucene/Solr Search Developer > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidwsmiley > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 5:24 PM Mayya Sharipova > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if everyone is ok for May 31st (Monday) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the date for the feature freeze date and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > branch cut? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've noticed that `releaseWizard.py` is also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asking for the length of feature freeze. What is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the custom length to put there? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looks like Lucene doesn't have any unresolved > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issues for 8.9. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SOLR has: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - SOLR-15412 Strict validation on Replica > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > metadata can cause complete outage (Looks like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it may be resolved already?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - SOLR-15410 GC log is directed to console when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starting Solr with Java 11 Open J9 on Windows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - SOLR-15056 CPU circuit breaker needs to use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CPU utilization, not Unix load average > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are we ok to postpone these issues to later > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > releases if they are not resolved and merged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before feature freeze? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 12:41 PM Colvin Cowie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eric was going to have a look at the PR. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if it isn't done in time then I don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think it needs to block the release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 25 May 2021 at 15:50, Mayya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharipova > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Colvin, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am wondering if you still want to merge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SOLR-15410 for the Lucene/Solr 8.9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should we have a deadline for feature > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > freeze? Say May 30th (Sunday)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 8:49 AM Noble > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 9:30 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Colvin Cowie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I raised SOLR-15410 yesterday with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a PR to fix an issue with GC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logging when using new versions of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OpenJ9. It's small, so if somebody > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could have a look at it in time for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8.9 that would be great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Colvin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 13 May 2021 at 17:52, Nhat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nguyen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Mayya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I would like to backport > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> LUCENE-9935, which enables > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> bulk-merge for stored fields with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> index sort, to 8.x this weekend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> The patch is ready, but we prefer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> to give CI some cycles before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> backporting. Please let me know if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> it's okay with the release plan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Nhat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 12:44 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Gus Heck <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Perhaps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-15378 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> should be investigated before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> 8.9, maybe make it a blocker? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 1:35 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Robert Muir <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Mayya, I created backport for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Adrien's issue here, to try to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> help out: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> https://github.com/apache/lucene-solr/pull/2495 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Personally, I felt that merging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> non-trivial changes from main > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> branch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> to 8.x has some additional risks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> when cherry-picking: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> * structural changes in main > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> branch making merging more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> difficult > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> (e.g. LUCENE-9705 reorganization > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> of codec versioning, great change > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> moving forwards though) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> * there are many style changes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> due to spotless in main branch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> add noise to merging against old > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> code. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> * In the specific case of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> LUCENE-9827, the usual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> additional tricky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> backwards compatibility for 8.x > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> must be added in the backport > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> (due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> minor version bumps there) which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> can go wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> I still think that particular > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> change is worth considering for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> 8.9, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> isn't just a performance bug but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> also a huge improvement to test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> coverage that helps combat risks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> But we should still take some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> precautions when releasing an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> 8.x IMO: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> * be mindful of what we are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> backporting and the risks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> involved: it is harder. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> * try to let jenkins bake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> changes in 8.x branches for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> longer than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> usual? even a few days really > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 1:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Mayya Sharipova > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > Thanks everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > Adrien, I am happy to try to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > be a release manager for this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > Adrien, and Gus, please let me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > know when your changes are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > merged to 8.x > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 10:38 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > AM Gus Heck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> I'm also looking to find time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> to get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-14597 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> into some sort of 8x. I've > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> recently completed the back > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> port of 2/3 of the lucene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> tickets that are related, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> hope to work on the third > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> tomorrow.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> I had some feedback there, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> but I think folks were > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> waiting for the version > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> integrated with the final > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> form of the Lucene tickets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> before delving further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> Hopefully this week I can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> start on a patch that does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 10:25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> AM Adrien Grand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>> I would like to backport > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>> LUCENE-9827 before we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>> release 8.9, a performance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>> regression to stored fields > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>> merges. I'll work on this as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>> soon as possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>> On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:28 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>> PM Adrien Grand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>> +1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>> Mayya, are you volunteering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>> to be the release manager? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>> Le jeu. 6 mai 2021 à 18:06, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>> Ishan Chattopadhyaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>> <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>> a écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>> +1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 6, 2021 at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>> 7:50 PM Mayya Sharipova > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>> <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>>> Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>>> I was wondering if we can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>>> have a 8.9.0 release. It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>>> has been more than 3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>>> months since 8.8.0 was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>>> released. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>>> 8.9.0 doesn't need to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>>> the last release in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>>> 8.x series. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>>> Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>> -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >>> Adrien > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> http://www.needhamsoftware.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> (work) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> http://www.the111shift.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> (play) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> http://www.needhamsoftware.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> (work) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> http://www.the111shift.com (play) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Noble Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
