Hi Drew,
Op 4-10-2010 22:29, Drew Jensen schreef:
On 10/04/2010 03:08 PM, Simon Brouwer wrote:
Hi Drew,
Op 4-10-2010 20:19, Drew Jensen schreef:
On 10/04/2010 01:54 PM, Ian wrote:
On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 19:45 +0200, Martin Hollmichel wrote:
An important point indeed is that both side keep the constructive
dialog
open and trying to find compromises between their different
objectives.
What are the different objectives of the two projects in your view
Martin?
Yes Please - I would be most interested in what you perceive the
different objectives to be.
If I may add one more thing - this from one of the primary marketing
pieces on the OO.o site:
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It's hard to believe that high quality,
easy to use software like OpenOffice.org 3 can really be free.
But thanks to contributions of time and money, from individuals and
companies (large and small), OpenOffice.org is free for you to use
today.
Furthermore, the open-source licence used by OpenOffice.org 3 means
this freedom can never be taken away.
The OpenOffice.org community are delighted if you find our software
of use.
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During my time here Sun, then Oracle, was continually referred to as
the primary sponsor of the community, not the community itself.
You seem to be implying that, in the above, Oracle are referring to
themselves as the community itself? How so?
Sorry for the delay - in what may be a case of true irony, the
business I have been threatening to launch for a while
(BaseAnswers.com) landed it's first contract under the DBA name today
, to build a custom job management system for a Canadian company,
utilizing OpenOffice.org (the bid went out before all this went down)
for document production and reporting. The confirmation came in as I
was starting this email. (Once again proof that God has a sense of
humor I think)
I am saying that Sun (now Oracle) went to lengths to create a
distinction between the corporate entity and the community.
The excerpt I used, I believe, is but one example of this.
That over this last 10 years this distinction was manifest for example
in the difference between StarOffice, a corporate product, and
OpenOffice.org a community project and application.
Over the period which I have been personally observing events there
has been numerous occasions when an individual would come to the
mailing lists, or the forums, and start to ask about the Sun product
OpenOffice.org. This has always been met with a swift response
correcting this misconception.
During the period there was also a governance structure created for
the OpenOffice.org community project. In this structure there where
special arrangements made to insure that the major corporate sponsor
would be always represented. From my perspective there was an attempt,
and to put it in terms recently used on this list, for the corporate
entity to have it's cake and eat it too.
Apparently it's easy to forget that it has also continuously been
putting in much of the effort baking it, and that it had provided the
cake in the first place.
IMO the arrangement was definitely not ideal but also not particularly
unfair.
That over the course of this period the members of the community
governing structure not employed by the major corporate sponsor felt
it necessary to create a non-profit foundation.
Certainly what one would call 'the community' included the major
corporate sponsor.
What is happening now, IMO, is that Oracle is attempting to exercise a
right of veto over the aspirations of the other members of the community.
I am not sure in how far it is correct to equate The Document Foundation
with "the other members of the community".
If Oracle no longer feels that it's objectives are in alignment with
those of the community at large, and therefore no longer willing to
sponsor the OpenOffice.org Community, then I believe it best to make
that statement publicly, clearly and without obfuscation.
Naturally the corporation is free to retain the registered domain
name and trademark which are it's property. Although as one
community member I would ask again for Oracle Corp to make those
assets available to the OpenOffice.org Community.
In what way haven't those been available to the OpenOffice.org
community?
I think I covered it above, if not please let me know.
I'd say they are still available to the OpenOffice.org community, just
not to the LibreOffice community.
--
Best regards,
Simon Brouwer.
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