+1 for hangouts. As much as I'd love to see the city and finally have a
drink with Tamas, I almost certainly won't be able to come to Budapest.
I am not sure I will be able to attend weekly hangouts (or bi-weekly or
any scheduled, really) but if somebody works on a specific feature I am
interested in, I will try to make time. This means agenda of the meeting
has to be provided upfront and ideally there should be specific proposal
to seed the discussion.
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Regards,
Igor
On 2014-06-11, 9:32, Jason van Zyl wrote:
Generally in the last 13 years these types of meetings have resulted
in very little other than people who are being paid to work on Maven.
First it's not a trivial amount of money for many to travel across
the world for a meeting and miss several days of work, even if you
live in Europe. Second, having these big-bang, lets-change-the-world
events have always dissipated out pretty fast. This is not cynicism,
this is just observed fact over the years. If no one is working on
basic maintenance and bug fixing then I highly doubt anything bigger
is going to change.
However, I do think that talking with others is orders of magnitude
more productive than mailing lists, but we can start doing this today
with a Google hangout. Having face-to-face meetings more often and
discussing changes I think would be a positive step forward and
doesn't require traveling around the world to accomplish.
I am highly encouraged of late by the pull requests coming in for the
core and right now that's the biggest avenue of change. I don't think
we need to have grand, in person meetings to affect change. We've had
recent significant contributions in m2e lately and I'm not sure why
but I think we have to capitalize on that and do things that are
easier for people like hangouts, and not things that are costly and
time consuming like conferences.
Personally I would love it if we had a weekly Google hangout to chat
about Maven. I think that would have a chance of changing something.
A big meeting at a conference having any real impact I think is close
to zero based on my personal experience. Not that it isn't nice to
meet with people and talk if you can, but trying to do planning for a
project like this where many are immediately excluded by virtue of
geography, time/money is not a great thing. >
On Jun 11, 2014, at 1:53 AM, Kristian Rosenvold <[email protected]>
wrote:
I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be
really interested in creating a meet up to discuss "future maven" (for
one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable
of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the "big
picture" future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper "4.0" release
and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like
a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than
incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the
stuff on the current "4.0" list is quite minor stuff and I'd really
enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :)
Anyone else interested ?
Kristian
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