Generally in the last 13 years these types of meetings have resulted in very little other than people who are being paid to work on Maven. First it's not a trivial amount of money for many to travel across the world for a meeting and miss several days of work, even if you live in Europe. Second, having these big-bang, lets-change-the-world events have always dissipated out pretty fast. This is not cynicism, this is just observed fact over the years. If no one is working on basic maintenance and bug fixing then I highly doubt anything bigger is going to change.
However, I do think that talking with others is orders of magnitude more productive than mailing lists, but we can start doing this today with a Google hangout. Having face-to-face meetings more often and discussing changes I think would be a positive step forward and doesn't require traveling around the world to accomplish. I am highly encouraged of late by the pull requests coming in for the core and right now that's the biggest avenue of change. I don't think we need to have grand, in person meetings to affect change. We've had recent significant contributions in m2e lately and I'm not sure why but I think we have to capitalize on that and do things that are easier for people like hangouts, and not things that are costly and time consuming like conferences. Personally I would love it if we had a weekly Google hangout to chat about Maven. I think that would have a chance of changing something. A big meeting at a conference having any real impact I think is close to zero based on my personal experience. Not that it isn't nice to meet with people and talk if you can, but trying to do planning for a project like this where many are immediately excluded by virtue of geography, time/money is not a great thing. On Jun 11, 2014, at 1:53 AM, Kristian Rosenvold <[email protected]> wrote: > I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be > really interested in creating a meet up to discuss "future maven" (for > one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable > of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the "big > picture" future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper "4.0" release > and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like > a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than > incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the > stuff on the current "4.0" list is quite minor stuff and I'd really > enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :) > > Anyone else interested ? > > Kristian > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > Thanks, Jason ---------------------------------------------------------- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io --------------------------------------------------------- First, the taking in of scattered particulars under one Idea, so that everyone understands what is being talked about ... Second, the separation of the Idea into parts, by dividing it at the joints, as nature directs, not breaking any limb in half as a bad carver might. -- Plato, Phaedrus (Notes on the Synthesis of Form by C. Alexander)
