All right, then shall we try to kick it off next Wednesday? http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2014&month=6&day=25&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=224&p2=250&p3=136&p4=166
It's always hard given that we're all around the world, but I'll throw that out as a starting point. On Jun 11, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Manfred Moser <[email protected]> wrote: > A regular Maven hangout would be great. I have been contemplating doing that > for the android maven plugin community alone for a while already. Maybe I > kick that off with the upcoming release of 4.0.0 ;-) > > manfred > > Jason van Zyl wrote on 11.06.2014 06:32: > >> Generally in the last 13 years these types of meetings have resulted in very >> little other than people who are being paid to work on Maven. First it's not >> a >> trivial amount of money for many to travel across the world for a meeting and >> miss several days of work, even if you live in Europe. Second, having these >> big-bang, lets-change-the-world events have always dissipated out pretty >> fast. >> This is not cynicism, this is just observed fact over the years. If no one is >> working on basic maintenance and bug fixing then I highly doubt anything >> bigger >> is going to change. >> >> However, I do think that talking with others is orders of magnitude more >> productive than mailing lists, but we can start doing this today with a >> Google >> hangout. Having face-to-face meetings more often and discussing changes I >> think >> would be a positive step forward and doesn't require traveling around the >> world >> to accomplish. >> >> I am highly encouraged of late by the pull requests coming in for the core >> and >> right now that's the biggest avenue of change. I don't think we need to have >> grand, in person meetings to affect change. We've had recent significant >> contributions in m2e lately and I'm not sure why but I think we have to >> capitalize on that and do things that are easier for people like hangouts, >> and >> not things that are costly and time consuming like conferences. >> >> Personally I would love it if we had a weekly Google hangout to chat about >> Maven. I think that would have a chance of changing something. A big meeting >> at >> a conference having any real impact I think is close to zero based on my >> personal experience. Not that it isn't nice to meet with people and talk if >> you >> can, but trying to do planning for a project like this where many are >> immediately excluded by virtue of geography, time/money is not a great thing. >> >> On Jun 11, 2014, at 1:53 AM, Kristian Rosenvold >> <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be >>> really interested in creating a meet up to discuss "future maven" (for >>> one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable >>> of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the "big >>> picture" future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper "4.0" release >>> and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like >>> a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than >>> incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the >>> stuff on the current "4.0" list is quite minor stuff and I'd really >>> enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :) >>> >>> Anyone else interested ? >>> >>> Kristian >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >>> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jason >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> Jason van Zyl >> Founder, Apache Maven >> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl >> http://twitter.com/takari_io >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> >> First, the taking in of scattered particulars under one Idea, >> so that everyone understands what is being talked about ... Second, >> the separation of the Idea into parts, by dividing it at the joints, >> as nature directs, not breaking any limb in half as a bad carver might. >> >> -- Plato, Phaedrus (Notes on the Synthesis of Form by C. Alexander) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > Thanks, Jason ---------------------------------------------------------- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io --------------------------------------------------------- A party which is not afraid of letting culture, business, and welfare go to ruin completely can be omnipotent for a while. -- Jakob Burckhardt
