Ok, I'll setup a hangout for http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2014&month=6&day=25&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=224&p2=250&p3=136&p4=166
and we'll see how that works. Concretely let's try and talk about the POM 5.0 model, and I might try and do a little demo of the Maven dev tooling in Eclipse. In the hangout we can figure out what we want to talk about next, or maybe we just continue with POM 5.0 until it's sorted. If anyone wants to put some thoughts together we can probably figure out how to hand over control to various presenters. We'll figure it out as we go, it will be completely informal. On Jun 13, 2014, at 2:02 AM, Hervé BOUTEMY <[email protected]> wrote: > ok for me > > Regards, > > Hervé > > Le mercredi 11 juin 2014 19:01:39 Jason van Zyl a écrit : >> All right, then shall we try to kick it off next Wednesday? >> >> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2014&month=6&; >> day=25&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=224&p2=250&p3=136&p4=166 >> >> It's always hard given that we're all around the world, but I'll throw that >> out as a starting point. >> On Jun 11, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Manfred Moser <[email protected]> wrote: >>> A regular Maven hangout would be great. I have been contemplating doing >>> that for the android maven plugin community alone for a while already. >>> Maybe I kick that off with the upcoming release of 4.0.0 ;-) >>> >>> manfred >>> >>> Jason van Zyl wrote on 11.06.2014 06:32: >>>> Generally in the last 13 years these types of meetings have resulted in >>>> very little other than people who are being paid to work on Maven. First >>>> it's not a trivial amount of money for many to travel across the world >>>> for a meeting and miss several days of work, even if you live in Europe. >>>> Second, having these big-bang, lets-change-the-world events have always >>>> dissipated out pretty fast. This is not cynicism, this is just observed >>>> fact over the years. If no one is working on basic maintenance and bug >>>> fixing then I highly doubt anything bigger is going to change. >>>> >>>> However, I do think that talking with others is orders of magnitude more >>>> productive than mailing lists, but we can start doing this today with a >>>> Google hangout. Having face-to-face meetings more often and discussing >>>> changes I think would be a positive step forward and doesn't require >>>> traveling around the world to accomplish. >>>> >>>> I am highly encouraged of late by the pull requests coming in for the >>>> core and right now that's the biggest avenue of change. I don't think we >>>> need to have grand, in person meetings to affect change. We've had >>>> recent significant contributions in m2e lately and I'm not sure why but >>>> I think we have to capitalize on that and do things that are easier for >>>> people like hangouts, and not things that are costly and time consuming >>>> like conferences. >>>> >>>> Personally I would love it if we had a weekly Google hangout to chat >>>> about >>>> Maven. I think that would have a chance of changing something. A big >>>> meeting at a conference having any real impact I think is close to zero >>>> based on my personal experience. Not that it isn't nice to meet with >>>> people and talk if you can, but trying to do planning for a project like >>>> this where many are immediately excluded by virtue of geography, >>>> time/money is not a great thing. >>>> >>>> On Jun 11, 2014, at 1:53 AM, Kristian Rosenvold >>>> <[email protected]>>> >>>> wrote: >>>>> I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be >>>>> really interested in creating a meet up to discuss "future maven" (for >>>>> one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable >>>>> of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the "big >>>>> picture" future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper "4.0" release >>>>> and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like >>>>> a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than >>>>> incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the >>>>> stuff on the current "4.0" list is quite minor stuff and I'd really >>>>> enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :) >>>>> >>>>> Anyone else interested ? >>>>> >>>>> Kristian >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Jason >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Jason van Zyl >>>> Founder, Apache Maven >>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl >>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> First, the taking in of scattered particulars under one Idea, >>>> so that everyone understands what is being talked about ... Second, >>>> the separation of the Idea into parts, by dividing it at the joints, >>>> as nature directs, not breaking any limb in half as a bad carver might. >>>> >>>> -- Plato, Phaedrus (Notes on the Synthesis of Form by C. 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