On Monday, November 24, 2014, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> Why does the owl need chest hair? (or whatever the oval patch is supposed > to represent). An owl does not *need* the patch of lighter coloured feathers that most owls seem to have on their belly... However, if you want an owl to look owlish, you kind of need to follow the conventions... Configuring an owl differently is certainly possible, but it's not really the maven way! > > Ralph > > > On Nov 23, 2014, at 2:59 PM, Stephen Connolly < > stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > On 23 November 2014 at 02:53, Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.bout...@free.fr > <javascript:;> <mailto:herve.bout...@free.fr <javascript:;>>> wrote: > > > >> Le samedi 22 novembre 2014 19:22:29 Benson Margulies a écrit : > >>> I suggest that we ask Sally is there is any donated graphic design > >>> assistance available. I suspect that there is. > >> +1 > >> > > > > If somebody else wants to take a lead in that process then we might get > > somewhere faster... I just want to get to the end game... even if Maven > > doesn't find a use for my creation I will find some project to attach it > > to! ;-) > > > > > >> > >>> On Nov 22, 2014 7:09 PM, "Stephen Connolly" > >>> <stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> > >>> wrote: > >>>> Why I want a new logo and a mascot: > >>>> > >>>> I think everyone can agree that the site needs a reorg and a rewrite. > >> +1 > >> > >>>> Users > >>>> cannot find what they need, and the end result is that people keep on > >>>> abusing maven rather than having maven help them. > >>>> > >>>> Try as I might, I have been unable to motivate myself to do the reorg > >> with > >>>> the current LaF of the site... I am not saying that picking a new logo > >> and > >>>> selecting a mascot will result in me making progress, but it can't > hurt > >>>> and > >>>> I believe it will help me. > >> +1, even if it puts a higher bar > >> > >>>> > >>>> I really don't care what logo or mascot we go with - yes I would be > >>>> flattered if the community chose one of my efforts - but at the end of > >> the > >>>> day, what matters more to me is that we *have* a new logo and a mascot > >> (or > >>>> something else to mix up the content visually) > >>>> > >>>> I tried holding a contest... We didn't get very much contributions > from > >>>> that... Though I welcome each and every one > >>>> > >>>> The next idea was to see about hiring a processional designer... > >> Though to > >>>> do that we really need to write up a brief... At least if we want good > >>>> results... I did not get very far on writing up such a brief - in > >> truth I > >>>> do not know how to express what we want - so after much time, and with > >> a > >>>> new idea in my head I came up with this suggestion > >> thank you for new proposals: I know how it's hard to continue in one > >> direction... > >> > >>>> > >>>> I would like to put this to a vote, but I won't do that if the > >> community > >>>> will be harmed by such a vote... This thread is an effort to sound out > >> the > >>>> community so that I can have the confidence in putting this to a vote > >> starting with this discussion before trying a vote is really a good > choice > >> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> By the way, I think I now favour D > >> in fact, to really understand the result, the view inside Maven site is > >> good, > >> since it show the mascott both at little and big sizes > >> atually, the violet colour in the eyes gives me strange impression: > don't > >> know > >> if blue or grey would be better > >> > > > > How does green suit? > > > > > http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-7-screenshot.png > < > http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-7-screenshot.png > > > > > > > > > >> and since "Couché Tard" doesn't seem to fit with english-speaking people > >> (which > >> have so much slang word :p ), I really like "shotgun owl" without > showing > >> anything: that what happens with Maven = nobody whows you a shotgun > because > >> it's really not the intend, but if you take things the wrong ways, you > will > >> discover a shotgun we even didn't want to provide.... > >> > > > > As I said, if my owl gets selected I will let the community decide the > > mascot's name... seems that for this owl everyone wants to call it > > "shotgun" ;-) > > > > > >> > >> thank you for your continued work on this: it's part of what we can do > to > >> continue to improve user experience > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Hervé > >> > >> > >>>> > >>>> On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Stephen Connolly < > >>>> > >>>> stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > >>>>> Hmm now that I tried with the blue owl... I actually quite like > >> removing > >>>> > >>>>> the outlines: > >>>> > >> > http://people.apache.org/~stephenc/maven-logo-contest/maven-owl-selection2 > >>>> .png> > >>>>> D is now a tie for me with B > >>>>> > >>>>> On 22 November 2014 at 10:37, Stephen Connolly < > >>>>> stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com <javascript:;> > >>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com > <javascript:;>');>> > >>>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>> On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Mirko Friedenhagen < > >>>>>> > >>>>>> mfriedenha...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > >>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2014 10:42 PM, "Stephen Connolly" < > >>>>>>> stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > >>>>>>> < > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Java's mascot is called Duke... I don't think Sun trademarked > >> Durk > >>>> > >>>> nor > >>>> > >>>>>>> have > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Oracle (yet... at least to my knowledge) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Do not call for it ;-) > >>>>>>> I like the owl B (the style reminds me of a certain butler, though > >> :-) > >>>> > >>>> ) > >>>> > >>>>>> For any "cartoony" style mascot with black outlining of the colours, > >>>>>> you're going to get a similar look. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I didn't like the look when I removed the black outlines, and going > >>>>>> monotone makes it hard to express the owlness > >>>>>> > >>>>>> My reason for favouring a cartoony style is that a small number of > >>>>>> solid > >>>>>> colours with black outlines tends to print on t-shirt etc much > >> better > >>>> > >>>> than > >>>> > >>>>>> gradients etc. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I like the http://cloudstack.apache.org monkey mascot. With it's > >> skinny > >>>>>> body it can pull off the two tone without needing outlining. I don't > >>>> > >>>> see a > >>>> > >>>>>> skinny owl working, certainly I could try removing the outlining as > >> it > >>>>>> might work with the blue, but IIRC you need to make the head bigger > >>>>>> than > >>>>>> the eyes to make that work and the beak gets lost... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So to TL;DR I wasn't consciously channelling Mr J, obviously I am a > >>>>>> long > >>>>>> time contributer to that project, so my style of icons can veer > >>>>>> "Tango"-ish, but I think the style works well for what we need... > >>>>>> Ultimately the community decides in the end ;-) > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Regards > >>>>>>> Mirko > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>>>>> Paul > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Michael Osipov < > >>>> > >>>> micha...@apache.org <javascript:;> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> Am 2014-11-20 um 22:20 schrieb Stephen Connolly: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 20, 2014, Michael Osipov < > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> micha...@apache.org <javascript:;>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> Am 2014-11-20 um 21:21 schrieb Michael Osipov: > >>>>>>>>>>>> My opinion on this: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not like the connection between the owl and the word > >>>> > >>>> maven. > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> While the owl stands for wisdom in the Greek culture as on > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Greek > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> euro coins, Maven is not of Greek origin. It is cleary of > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hebrew/Jewish > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] origin. I see no connection here. I would rather see > >> an > >>>> > >>>> old > >>>> > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> wise > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> man. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well one advantage the owl has is that there is no > >> obvious > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> gender > >>>>>>> - > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> apart > >>>>>>>>>>> from my unconscious bias referring to it as Mr :-P - whereas > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> wise > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> old > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> man could be perceived as biased, agest, sexist or > >> belittling > >>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> wise > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> women > >>>>>>>>>>> (irrespective of age) > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> For that reason I think an animal with no obvious gender > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> differences > >>>>>>> is > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> probably a better fit > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> You obviously misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about > >> genders > >>>> > >>>> and > >>>> > >>>>>>> nor am > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I tied to a man specifically. The point is, the owl is not > >>>>>>>>>> rooted > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> in > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Jewish culture as is the word/meaning of maven not rooted in > >> the > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Greek > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> one. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Moreover, the mascot name might violate trademarks: > >>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alimentation_Couche-Tard > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I don't want Apache Maven to be linked to a convenience store > >>>> > >>>> from > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> Canada. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Michael > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > <javascript:;> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Sent from my phone > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Sent from my phone > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org <javascript:;> > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > <javascript:;> > > -- Sent from my phone
